Smoking Ban – Let’s have a referendum!

Moderators – this thread is NOT the same is the other smoking threads, so please don't delete it!

It doesn't matter if you are for or against the smoking ban, what matters is that the public are asked what THEY think and want, through a fair referendum.

Let the public decide what should be done about the smoking ban and allow the government to follow the wishes of its electorate. No other decision is lawful or in any way appropriate if this country is, as it proclaims, a democracy.

The referendum could give 4 options to vote on:-

1. Keep and extend the current smoking ban, to include all public places.

2. Keep the existing smoking ban as it is, with no further changes.

3. Relax the smoking ban to allow private business' (pubs, clubs, cafe's and restaurants etc) to decide on their own smoking policy, or have inside separate ventilated smoking areas etc.

4. Reverse the smoking ban completely, i.e. to how it was in the 1970's.

 

 

 

Why is this idea important?

Moderators – this thread is NOT the same is the other smoking threads, so please don't delete it!

It doesn't matter if you are for or against the smoking ban, what matters is that the public are asked what THEY think and want, through a fair referendum.

Let the public decide what should be done about the smoking ban and allow the government to follow the wishes of its electorate. No other decision is lawful or in any way appropriate if this country is, as it proclaims, a democracy.

The referendum could give 4 options to vote on:-

1. Keep and extend the current smoking ban, to include all public places.

2. Keep the existing smoking ban as it is, with no further changes.

3. Relax the smoking ban to allow private business' (pubs, clubs, cafe's and restaurants etc) to decide on their own smoking policy, or have inside separate ventilated smoking areas etc.

4. Reverse the smoking ban completely, i.e. to how it was in the 1970's.

 

 

 

Smoking licenses for pubs

I know there are a lot of similar ideas to this one, but I want to make it very clear that I nor any other smokers would call for a complete repeal on the smoking ban, it has already gone to far , it is too late, in hindsight maybe we should of stood up before the ban and said "this is not right, we want equal rights" etc, anyway i digress,  My proposal is a system wear a pub owner will apply for a "smoking license" where there will be a set of regulations the pub must follow in order to attain this license, also to keep it. The license could be for either of two things or even both, A full smoke friendly premises, a non smoking premises, or a mix of the two, this would obviously include well ventilated rooms with extractor fans and other measures to prevent smoke from entering the non smoking area ( i am sure this is not beyond the technological ability of a race that sent a man to the moon lol). I am fairly sure that the only people who will object to this idea will be the Anti-smokers, having said that , lets keep this debate civil and proper. NOTE: Nick Clegg has already said that he will not be considering altering the ban, however if we are loud enough maybe we can at least trigger a debate in the commons.

Why is this idea important?

I know there are a lot of similar ideas to this one, but I want to make it very clear that I nor any other smokers would call for a complete repeal on the smoking ban, it has already gone to far , it is too late, in hindsight maybe we should of stood up before the ban and said "this is not right, we want equal rights" etc, anyway i digress,  My proposal is a system wear a pub owner will apply for a "smoking license" where there will be a set of regulations the pub must follow in order to attain this license, also to keep it. The license could be for either of two things or even both, A full smoke friendly premises, a non smoking premises, or a mix of the two, this would obviously include well ventilated rooms with extractor fans and other measures to prevent smoke from entering the non smoking area ( i am sure this is not beyond the technological ability of a race that sent a man to the moon lol). I am fairly sure that the only people who will object to this idea will be the Anti-smokers, having said that , lets keep this debate civil and proper. NOTE: Nick Clegg has already said that he will not be considering altering the ban, however if we are loud enough maybe we can at least trigger a debate in the commons.

Repeal Digital Economy Act

While I agree that there should be *some* measures taken to limit or punish those who use the internet to steal, I feel that the current bill is highly flawed and has removed civil liberties that should remain, even if a household is caught.

As it stands, the Digital Economy Bill is too broad. It targets the bill payer of the family instead of the individual culprits. As a family is composed of many differing age groups and incomes, all using the same wireless or wired internet, it shouldn't be right that a mother, who does not use the internet, is punished because her son downloads an album illegally. 

There is also an issue that there is currently no way to go to trial over these allegations. As I understand the bill, you receive a letter from your ISP (internet service provider) saying you've been caught and either have to pay a fine or lose your connection. There seems to be no way to have a fair trial on these allegations, which is unrealistic, as many peer-to-peer sharing or torrenting CAN be used for legal practices, such as sharing large amounts of data through a business. However, they may flag up as illegal sharing and lead whole families into bankruptcy. 

Instead, Government should focus on educating the youth and fair warning systems. This would allow the parents to talk to their children if their household is warned.

I also feel that there should be technological experts on hand to give fully educated guidance to government, as there has been a lack of understanding in how the Internet works from both the House of Lords and House of Commons whenever the issue of the Internet has been raised. 

Why is this idea important?

While I agree that there should be *some* measures taken to limit or punish those who use the internet to steal, I feel that the current bill is highly flawed and has removed civil liberties that should remain, even if a household is caught.

As it stands, the Digital Economy Bill is too broad. It targets the bill payer of the family instead of the individual culprits. As a family is composed of many differing age groups and incomes, all using the same wireless or wired internet, it shouldn't be right that a mother, who does not use the internet, is punished because her son downloads an album illegally. 

There is also an issue that there is currently no way to go to trial over these allegations. As I understand the bill, you receive a letter from your ISP (internet service provider) saying you've been caught and either have to pay a fine or lose your connection. There seems to be no way to have a fair trial on these allegations, which is unrealistic, as many peer-to-peer sharing or torrenting CAN be used for legal practices, such as sharing large amounts of data through a business. However, they may flag up as illegal sharing and lead whole families into bankruptcy. 

Instead, Government should focus on educating the youth and fair warning systems. This would allow the parents to talk to their children if their household is warned.

I also feel that there should be technological experts on hand to give fully educated guidance to government, as there has been a lack of understanding in how the Internet works from both the House of Lords and House of Commons whenever the issue of the Internet has been raised.