repeal the duplication of CRB checks for one person

Let one crb check serve to cover all the employments of one person.  At the moment I have to get one check for each school I  am invigilating in.  Surely one check would establish that I am a fit person.  Let the rule for renewal every year still stand.

Why is this idea important?

Let one crb check serve to cover all the employments of one person.  At the moment I have to get one check for each school I  am invigilating in.  Surely one check would establish that I am a fit person.  Let the rule for renewal every year still stand.

Stop costly duplication of CRB checks

My wife has a small business teaching music to 'early years children.  As a contractor to different employers and working in different venues, she has to get multiple CRB checks, and each comes from a different "provider".  These cost around £70 each – it varies – and take a lot of time and effort to complete.  They make getting back to work after a period of illness almost prohibitively expensive.  What a waste!

Why is there not one provider?  The ISA was being set up to do that, were stopped. Why? Perhaps some "providers" will lose business?

Why is this idea important?

My wife has a small business teaching music to 'early years children.  As a contractor to different employers and working in different venues, she has to get multiple CRB checks, and each comes from a different "provider".  These cost around £70 each – it varies – and take a lot of time and effort to complete.  They make getting back to work after a period of illness almost prohibitively expensive.  What a waste!

Why is there not one provider?  The ISA was being set up to do that, were stopped. Why? Perhaps some "providers" will lose business?

Abolish CRB checks

Remove the law that says Voluntary organisations must complete Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks before allowing an individual to participate. If removing CRB checks is considered too politically dangerous (red-tops would have a regular field day), make the legislation optional. The charity involved could then perform a 'local' assessment of need and decide whether CRB checks are appropriate. All the above also applies to Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA) and Vetting and Barring Scheme (VSB). 

Why is this idea important?

Remove the law that says Voluntary organisations must complete Criminal Records Bureau (CRB) checks before allowing an individual to participate. If removing CRB checks is considered too politically dangerous (red-tops would have a regular field day), make the legislation optional. The charity involved could then perform a 'local' assessment of need and decide whether CRB checks are appropriate. All the above also applies to Independent Safeguarding Authority (ISA) and Vetting and Barring Scheme (VSB). 

Independent body to review the releasing of soft information on crb

If the coalition government are not able to completely change the removing of soft information from Enahnced CRBs why not have an independent body who decide if soft information is released. The police can pass cases onto them to assess. At the moment it is a lucky dip-some police forces will rarely release soft information others will do so all of the time. This will also save police time because at the moment when police release soft information on an enhanced CRB there is a dispute and the police have to investigate. They then have to change and re-change the wording of the information. People will then also see the CRB as being fairer.    

Why is this idea important?

If the coalition government are not able to completely change the removing of soft information from Enahnced CRBs why not have an independent body who decide if soft information is released. The police can pass cases onto them to assess. At the moment it is a lucky dip-some police forces will rarely release soft information others will do so all of the time. This will also save police time because at the moment when police release soft information on an enhanced CRB there is a dispute and the police have to investigate. They then have to change and re-change the wording of the information. People will then also see the CRB as being fairer.    

Scale back CRB checks

CRB checks should be restricted only to people who work directly and regularly with children. They should also be scaled back so that the only offences revealed in a check are relevant ones, eg: sexual offences or violent offences against children.

Why is this idea important?

CRB checks should be restricted only to people who work directly and regularly with children. They should also be scaled back so that the only offences revealed in a check are relevant ones, eg: sexual offences or violent offences against children.

Delete obsolete criminal convictions for gay sex

Please fulfill your pledge prior to the general election, that criminal convictions obtained back in the days when homosexuality was illegal would be deleted and removed from alongside the likes of paedophiles on the Police National Computer.

The law as I understand it at present compels someone to declare such a conviction if they are applying for work, and as I already stated, the names of individuals convicted are held on the Police National Computer, alonside the likes of paedophiles.

Why is this idea important?

Please fulfill your pledge prior to the general election, that criminal convictions obtained back in the days when homosexuality was illegal would be deleted and removed from alongside the likes of paedophiles on the Police National Computer.

The law as I understand it at present compels someone to declare such a conviction if they are applying for work, and as I already stated, the names of individuals convicted are held on the Police National Computer, alonside the likes of paedophiles.

How about a European crb system

i don't know if this is the right place to make this suggestion and if the idea did take off then it would need a great deal of work, money and time to which the country doesn't really have and to make things even worse I have done no prior reading so if this has been or will be implemented in the future or even is in operation as we speak then I apologise.

Obviously our domestic crb system needs to be drastically streamlined but if we are to work closer with our European counterparts then I feel a European crb system could work. I don't know how as yet but I thought that I might as well throw this idea in the politely queuing crowd and see what ideas and suggestions other people make of it.

Why is this idea important?

i don't know if this is the right place to make this suggestion and if the idea did take off then it would need a great deal of work, money and time to which the country doesn't really have and to make things even worse I have done no prior reading so if this has been or will be implemented in the future or even is in operation as we speak then I apologise.

Obviously our domestic crb system needs to be drastically streamlined but if we are to work closer with our European counterparts then I feel a European crb system could work. I don't know how as yet but I thought that I might as well throw this idea in the politely queuing crowd and see what ideas and suggestions other people make of it.

taxi regs and crb checks

I am a licenced hackney carriage vehicle. Under Durham county council.. but i can pick up in one town and not another! Its devided into zones! Which means if i drop off in Durham.. and someone wants to jump in.. i cant take them! And they must go and join a huge que! As for police checks it all needs sorting out… if i want to use an escort… (to sit in for county contracts) i cannot use my mum (who is a dcc registered and police checked nurse)… no she must undergo another police check! Im fully checked.. but say i was to apply for another job.. id need another one! And another one! I AGREE that police checks need updating etc… but once someone is checked it should be transferable within government departments… AND county to county. Each time its another fee… and up to 3 month wait. I could not use a qualified youth worker who ran a dissabled club for an escort.. because she didnt have 'adults' on her 'category' section.. even though it was kids we were picking up.. more money was spent!   

Why is this idea important?

I am a licenced hackney carriage vehicle. Under Durham county council.. but i can pick up in one town and not another! Its devided into zones! Which means if i drop off in Durham.. and someone wants to jump in.. i cant take them! And they must go and join a huge que! As for police checks it all needs sorting out… if i want to use an escort… (to sit in for county contracts) i cannot use my mum (who is a dcc registered and police checked nurse)… no she must undergo another police check! Im fully checked.. but say i was to apply for another job.. id need another one! And another one! I AGREE that police checks need updating etc… but once someone is checked it should be transferable within government departments… AND county to county. Each time its another fee… and up to 3 month wait. I could not use a qualified youth worker who ran a dissabled club for an escort.. because she didnt have 'adults' on her 'category' section.. even though it was kids we were picking up.. more money was spent!   

Spent convictions table and the Rehabilitation of Offenders Act.

The whole matter of spent convictions, their retention on CRB and police files and the obligation for offenders to disclose them needs urgent review.    Offences should be categorised along with a table of time limits, beyond which those offences are automatically removed from the records.

In particular, concern should be shown about indictments against young people, where the need to rehabilitate carries even greater import.

Sensible rehabilitation must mean sensible rehabilitation …  and the law must be seen as having been enacted in good faith.   

Why is this idea important?

The whole matter of spent convictions, their retention on CRB and police files and the obligation for offenders to disclose them needs urgent review.    Offences should be categorised along with a table of time limits, beyond which those offences are automatically removed from the records.

In particular, concern should be shown about indictments against young people, where the need to rehabilitate carries even greater import.

Sensible rehabilitation must mean sensible rehabilitation …  and the law must be seen as having been enacted in good faith.   

CRB checks

Scrap the need for multiples applications for each person. Once a person has been checked they should have a number or some means of identification so that an authorised body can check this by use of that identification without need for filling forms out every time.

This could be renewed every so many years or any offences committed could be added via the police national database surely?

Why is this idea important?

Scrap the need for multiples applications for each person. Once a person has been checked they should have a number or some means of identification so that an authorised body can check this by use of that identification without need for filling forms out every time.

This could be renewed every so many years or any offences committed could be added via the police national database surely?

CRB checks are too elaborate and don’t work

CRB checking legislation, a bureaucrat's wet dream, was introduced in the wake of anti-paedophile hysteria and if I doubt if it has actually protected more than a tiny handful of children, while causing inconvenience and expense to literally millions of caring people.   I do not belittle pedophilia, having met a few paedophiles in the line of my professional work: their seeming normality and moral blindness is scary and vigilance is certainly called for.  However, children are not at risk from the sort of people who will honestly and painstaking fill in a CRB form.  They are at risk from the sort of people who will give false information on a CRB form, which is then worthless; from the sort of offenders who are clever enough to have avoided arrest and conviction for their crimes of abuse; or – particularly – from family members who will not have been asked to fill in a CRB form in the first place.

Obviously there needs to be a sex offenders register and employers need to know if any of their staff are on it.  So a simple form is required that allows them to ask the police if that is so. And that's it.  And you only need to be checked once, or at periodic intervals, by one authority.  I am CRB checked for work.  I now need to be CRB checked again for a voluntary organisation; – why?  What is that organisation going to find out that isn't already known about me?  I might feel different if I had something to hide, but then one check would expose my secret, if I had one.

So, simplify the system, end all the duplication of form-filling but above all: let's see the evidence that CRB checking has done anything to protect children or curb pedophilia.  There's an ongoing protest against Catholic priests, some of whom have abused children for years.  Question, if CRB checking had been in place would it have exposed or prevented their misdemeanours?  Of course not, because all a CRB check does is establish whether you have been convicted of any offence – but these priests, with the collusion of Mother Church and sometimes even the victims themselves, have gone to great pains to ensure that their abuse has never come to light.

Why is this idea important?

CRB checking legislation, a bureaucrat's wet dream, was introduced in the wake of anti-paedophile hysteria and if I doubt if it has actually protected more than a tiny handful of children, while causing inconvenience and expense to literally millions of caring people.   I do not belittle pedophilia, having met a few paedophiles in the line of my professional work: their seeming normality and moral blindness is scary and vigilance is certainly called for.  However, children are not at risk from the sort of people who will honestly and painstaking fill in a CRB form.  They are at risk from the sort of people who will give false information on a CRB form, which is then worthless; from the sort of offenders who are clever enough to have avoided arrest and conviction for their crimes of abuse; or – particularly – from family members who will not have been asked to fill in a CRB form in the first place.

Obviously there needs to be a sex offenders register and employers need to know if any of their staff are on it.  So a simple form is required that allows them to ask the police if that is so. And that's it.  And you only need to be checked once, or at periodic intervals, by one authority.  I am CRB checked for work.  I now need to be CRB checked again for a voluntary organisation; – why?  What is that organisation going to find out that isn't already known about me?  I might feel different if I had something to hide, but then one check would expose my secret, if I had one.

So, simplify the system, end all the duplication of form-filling but above all: let's see the evidence that CRB checking has done anything to protect children or curb pedophilia.  There's an ongoing protest against Catholic priests, some of whom have abused children for years.  Question, if CRB checking had been in place would it have exposed or prevented their misdemeanours?  Of course not, because all a CRB check does is establish whether you have been convicted of any offence – but these priests, with the collusion of Mother Church and sometimes even the victims themselves, have gone to great pains to ensure that their abuse has never come to light.

Remove the need for multiple CRB Checks

One man I met recently had 34 separate CRB checks! One for each employer. He was a "Father Christmas" for local Nursury groups. Each of the groups had to apply separately for his CRB check.

CRB Checks should "belong" to the subject and not the employer.

CRB checks are vital to employers whose employees are in regular contact with children and vulnerable adults.

The CRB should post the results of a first time check to their web site. Then they should issue the subject with a unique logon and changeable password,  Like with HMRC tax retruns. The subject can give any potential employer the logon and password to access and print the CRB check on the CRB web site over a secure link.

The subject can change his her password once any potential employer has accessed it to prevent his/her data being continually accessed by previous employers and employers with whom the subject has not taken up employment.

A CRB check is only a snapshot in time and regular dated updates should be posted to the accessible area.    

Result…tighter security, more upto date information, faster turnround, less cost, less bureaucracy, less repetitive searching.

The basic principle can be applied to many areas, P45s, P60s even medical records possibly!

 

Why is this idea important?

One man I met recently had 34 separate CRB checks! One for each employer. He was a "Father Christmas" for local Nursury groups. Each of the groups had to apply separately for his CRB check.

CRB Checks should "belong" to the subject and not the employer.

CRB checks are vital to employers whose employees are in regular contact with children and vulnerable adults.

The CRB should post the results of a first time check to their web site. Then they should issue the subject with a unique logon and changeable password,  Like with HMRC tax retruns. The subject can give any potential employer the logon and password to access and print the CRB check on the CRB web site over a secure link.

The subject can change his her password once any potential employer has accessed it to prevent his/her data being continually accessed by previous employers and employers with whom the subject has not taken up employment.

A CRB check is only a snapshot in time and regular dated updates should be posted to the accessible area.    

Result…tighter security, more upto date information, faster turnround, less cost, less bureaucracy, less repetitive searching.

The basic principle can be applied to many areas, P45s, P60s even medical records possibly!

 

CRB Checks should only disclose convictions.

More and more jobs are requiring Criminal Record Bureau checks, many for increasingly dubious reasons.

I propose that these checks disclose only actual convictions proved in a court of law, or cautions accepted by an offender.

Why is this idea important?

More and more jobs are requiring Criminal Record Bureau checks, many for increasingly dubious reasons.

I propose that these checks disclose only actual convictions proved in a court of law, or cautions accepted by an offender.

Enhanced CRB incorrect information

To ensure that an easy process and the law is changed to ensure individuals who have not been convicted or cautioned for any offence have the information removed from their CRB under the CHIEF CONSTABLES DESCRETION.  This is not the chief constables decision but an admin assistant in the local police station. 

If someone is not convicted or cautioned the information should not be on the CRB as it is a breach of human rights, impossible to remove or challenge and detrimental to working life.

 

The court of Appeal is currently looking at this issue re LIBERTY who are trying to assist those who have been wrongly accused or need to challenge information on their CRB

 

There is no one who can change this only the Government! 

Why is this idea important?

To ensure that an easy process and the law is changed to ensure individuals who have not been convicted or cautioned for any offence have the information removed from their CRB under the CHIEF CONSTABLES DESCRETION.  This is not the chief constables decision but an admin assistant in the local police station. 

If someone is not convicted or cautioned the information should not be on the CRB as it is a breach of human rights, impossible to remove or challenge and detrimental to working life.

 

The court of Appeal is currently looking at this issue re LIBERTY who are trying to assist those who have been wrongly accused or need to challenge information on their CRB

 

There is no one who can change this only the Government! 

Abolish the Criminal Records Bureau (CRB)

The Criminal Records Bureau is a wasteful and inefficient quango, unable to perform the impossible task it was given.  The CRB check fails to deliver its aim of safeguarding children and vulnerable people as it:

a) It is slow, costly and inefficient – CRB checks take an interminable time to process, months on end, in which time the organisation requesting the check has either employed the person anyway, or has left them sitting on their hands at home doing no work.  This prevents people who would be perfectly suited to working with children working with them.

b) It creates a false sense of security – a CRB is no security against someone being a paedophile or sexual predator; it only shows that they have not been one in the past.  As such it engenders a sense of false security, whereby dangerous people are not scrutinised as they have the right piece of paper.  The tragic events in Soham in 2003 demonstrate this.

c) Poisons society – by requiring the intervention of the police and the state to ensure that every interaction with children is 'safe' (or not, see 'b'), the CRB creates dangerous mistrust between parents, adults and children.  The assumption is one of criminality without the correct vetting by the state.

A simple, common-sense approach to child protection, based on both responsible and clear headed thought by those appointing people to work with children and vulnerable people – while also allowing them to personally check on their employment history and other details (as you would for any other job) by directly contacting the relevant police authorities if necessary – would improve child safety more than a CRB check, conducted by faceless and unaccountable officials.

I therefore propose that the requirement for CRB checks be removed, and that the CRB be abolished.

The above also applies to the Independent Safeguarding Authority, the 'mini' CRB – another quango looking to check those who might have contact with children – i.e. everyone!

David Wickes

Why is this idea important?

The Criminal Records Bureau is a wasteful and inefficient quango, unable to perform the impossible task it was given.  The CRB check fails to deliver its aim of safeguarding children and vulnerable people as it:

a) It is slow, costly and inefficient – CRB checks take an interminable time to process, months on end, in which time the organisation requesting the check has either employed the person anyway, or has left them sitting on their hands at home doing no work.  This prevents people who would be perfectly suited to working with children working with them.

b) It creates a false sense of security – a CRB is no security against someone being a paedophile or sexual predator; it only shows that they have not been one in the past.  As such it engenders a sense of false security, whereby dangerous people are not scrutinised as they have the right piece of paper.  The tragic events in Soham in 2003 demonstrate this.

c) Poisons society – by requiring the intervention of the police and the state to ensure that every interaction with children is 'safe' (or not, see 'b'), the CRB creates dangerous mistrust between parents, adults and children.  The assumption is one of criminality without the correct vetting by the state.

A simple, common-sense approach to child protection, based on both responsible and clear headed thought by those appointing people to work with children and vulnerable people – while also allowing them to personally check on their employment history and other details (as you would for any other job) by directly contacting the relevant police authorities if necessary – would improve child safety more than a CRB check, conducted by faceless and unaccountable officials.

I therefore propose that the requirement for CRB checks be removed, and that the CRB be abolished.

The above also applies to the Independent Safeguarding Authority, the 'mini' CRB – another quango looking to check those who might have contact with children – i.e. everyone!

David Wickes

CRB CHECKS

CRB checks seem to be a good idea.I assume the idea is to check out the person who comes into contact with vulnerable people?

Why then does a person who moves between jobs have to get a new one every time?

This seems very time consuming and a complete waste of time.

My wife even had to get a new one when she moved towns and worked for the same organisation!!

Why is this idea important?

CRB checks seem to be a good idea.I assume the idea is to check out the person who comes into contact with vulnerable people?

Why then does a person who moves between jobs have to get a new one every time?

This seems very time consuming and a complete waste of time.

My wife even had to get a new one when she moved towns and worked for the same organisation!!

Force the Police to set down offences when required

Force the Police to follow the guidelines and set down minor offences that werwe committed decades previously instead of acting like spoilt children and refusing to.

Why is this idea important?

Force the Police to follow the guidelines and set down minor offences that werwe committed decades previously instead of acting like spoilt children and refusing to.

Remove old and trivial convictions

Please remove old and trivial convictions from the CRB.  I mean things like convictions for credit violations, juvenile theft, using bad cheques or minor deception.  Why not give these people another chance in later life if their records have remained unchanged for, say, 10 years. 

Why is this idea important?

Please remove old and trivial convictions from the CRB.  I mean things like convictions for credit violations, juvenile theft, using bad cheques or minor deception.  Why not give these people another chance in later life if their records have remained unchanged for, say, 10 years. 

Cautions on CRBs

I thougth that CRB checks were to protect children from paedophiles. I know someone who had a caution for having a small amount of cannabis at a music festival as a 18 year old. This was a mistake, and he has learnt a hard lesson as he has been penalised for this in the jobs market even though he has gone onto get a Degree and does not have a drugs problem at all. Is it necessary for this and other minor cautions to go on record? The police should be able to use their discretion a bit more and give one off offences a 'ticking off' without it blighting their lives and ruining their chances. The majority of youths make a mistake and learn form it, they should not be criminalised.

Why is this idea important?

I thougth that CRB checks were to protect children from paedophiles. I know someone who had a caution for having a small amount of cannabis at a music festival as a 18 year old. This was a mistake, and he has learnt a hard lesson as he has been penalised for this in the jobs market even though he has gone onto get a Degree and does not have a drugs problem at all. Is it necessary for this and other minor cautions to go on record? The police should be able to use their discretion a bit more and give one off offences a 'ticking off' without it blighting their lives and ruining their chances. The majority of youths make a mistake and learn form it, they should not be criminalised.

i am sick of CRb check

I am really tired of CRB checks. i am depressed of this crb checks cos it has put a stop for me to pursue my dream career as a Nurse. Let ther be a reform on this crb check cos some of us are victims of circumstanc.

Why is this idea important?

I am really tired of CRB checks. i am depressed of this crb checks cos it has put a stop for me to pursue my dream career as a Nurse. Let ther be a reform on this crb check cos some of us are victims of circumstanc.

end the duplication of the CRB System

 

I work as a sports coach and have 7 crbs two from 2 local authorities (which require me to renew every year) 4 from four separate schools within a single local authority and one for volunteering at a local sports club. I have paid £46 for each crb check however I did get a free check for volunteering. I truly feel that I am being "financially abused" why is it that I have to pay for the same thing 6 times over? In order to work I must have a crb because if I refused then I would certainly lose business. Now I am not saying we should scrap crbs completely in theory I support it I believe people should be screened who work with children, young people and vulnerable adults because sadly we cannot trust everyone in our society. However what annoys me to my bones is when I turn up to a school and ask if they want to check and photo copy my crb and receive a reply of "What's a crb?" or "No you're alright" or "No I’m busy " what is the point of putting in place all these measures, procedures and investment so that when it comes to the front line staff who deal with crbs on a daily basis that they simply throw everything back in my face.

My recommendation would be simple yet effective, have one single crb check make it as simple or comprehensive as possible (in terms of the background check). Make the crbs personal to that person so it wouldn’t matter if an individual worked for 1, 2 or even 30 different companies/local authorities/schools/voluntary organisations etc etc, that way a person can work freely without being hindered by RED TAPE which drastically slows down my business. I except complexity to discuss and agree to the people/positions that require a crb check and the actual length of a crb i.e. 1 year, 3 years or 5 years. I must make clear that once a decision has been made it should be kept and not tampered with every year. Finally, in an ideal world the price for a crb check would be much lower dare I say free but I would accept a fair price that reflects the work and man hours required to complete my crb check not a stupidly overly priced and highly duplicated system which we all know it is at present.

Why is this idea important?

 

I work as a sports coach and have 7 crbs two from 2 local authorities (which require me to renew every year) 4 from four separate schools within a single local authority and one for volunteering at a local sports club. I have paid £46 for each crb check however I did get a free check for volunteering. I truly feel that I am being "financially abused" why is it that I have to pay for the same thing 6 times over? In order to work I must have a crb because if I refused then I would certainly lose business. Now I am not saying we should scrap crbs completely in theory I support it I believe people should be screened who work with children, young people and vulnerable adults because sadly we cannot trust everyone in our society. However what annoys me to my bones is when I turn up to a school and ask if they want to check and photo copy my crb and receive a reply of "What's a crb?" or "No you're alright" or "No I’m busy " what is the point of putting in place all these measures, procedures and investment so that when it comes to the front line staff who deal with crbs on a daily basis that they simply throw everything back in my face.

My recommendation would be simple yet effective, have one single crb check make it as simple or comprehensive as possible (in terms of the background check). Make the crbs personal to that person so it wouldn’t matter if an individual worked for 1, 2 or even 30 different companies/local authorities/schools/voluntary organisations etc etc, that way a person can work freely without being hindered by RED TAPE which drastically slows down my business. I except complexity to discuss and agree to the people/positions that require a crb check and the actual length of a crb i.e. 1 year, 3 years or 5 years. I must make clear that once a decision has been made it should be kept and not tampered with every year. Finally, in an ideal world the price for a crb check would be much lower dare I say free but I would accept a fair price that reflects the work and man hours required to complete my crb check not a stupidly overly priced and highly duplicated system which we all know it is at present.

One CRB check to cover all organisation, eliminate need for one act of volunteering and replace with references for some categories of people

Currently it is neccessary to have a CRB check for each organisation you volunteer for. It is a disincentive.  Make one CRB check cover all organisations even if it needs to be more comrehensive initially. Eliminate the need for a CRB check where the volunteer is only going to volunteer once for a few hours.  Consider whether in some cases references could take the place of checks.

Why is this idea important?

Currently it is neccessary to have a CRB check for each organisation you volunteer for. It is a disincentive.  Make one CRB check cover all organisations even if it needs to be more comrehensive initially. Eliminate the need for a CRB check where the volunteer is only going to volunteer once for a few hours.  Consider whether in some cases references could take the place of checks.