The EU,taxing,insuring and mot-ing a vehicle in any country ?

Hello,As a long term Motorhomer/campervan user i have noticed maybe a loop hole or unworkable/unfair use of our individual countries motor taxes etc.

I'm not sure if i can explain properly,i hope you understand what i'm trying to convey,but for instance,we are ALL  EU citizens now,apparantly all abide by the same rules and regs,my country the UK ,has certain rules and regs regardings vehicles,stating we need an MOT every year,road TAX  for use of the roads and a valid INSURANCE,paid yearly and also valid for that time,as far as i'm aware,so do all the other EU countries…

So,my point is,if i am away from the UK,and my Insurance/MOTor Tax runs out,I am in fact breaking the law,not only in the UK (and i'm not there,maybe in Spain at the time) or the EU law.

Why cant EU road users be classed the same,and for their convenience be able to recieve and purchase these documents ,ANYWHERE in the EU,as an example,i overstayed a long holiday while travelling Europe,i had to stop said holiday when noticing documents about to expire ! thus a long rushed 2000 mile journey back to the UK,to get the out dated TAX,that i hadn't or wouldn't have used (as being out of the country for 6 months !) an MOT,where as ANY qualified mot station in the EU could have made sure my vehicle was safe (as thats what its for) and that INSURANCE be purchased in any insurance broker (online or in that particular EU country )  as for instance,a Bulgarian can get EU cover insurance with even added perks of a green card that allows him  a greater number of countries of cover,it also covers him for the UK !! but the same Bulgarian/Spanish/Italian would have the same problem as myself and have to travel the 1000/2000 miles back to their country of origin,to be lawfull again,which seems in this computer ,open borders EU countries,rather ludicrous.

Can anyone see my point  ? please make a comment,and any Govt official,please look into this,before someone takes it to a tribunal/law courts …from a EU road user,with rights ???

 

Why is this idea important?

Hello,As a long term Motorhomer/campervan user i have noticed maybe a loop hole or unworkable/unfair use of our individual countries motor taxes etc.

I'm not sure if i can explain properly,i hope you understand what i'm trying to convey,but for instance,we are ALL  EU citizens now,apparantly all abide by the same rules and regs,my country the UK ,has certain rules and regs regardings vehicles,stating we need an MOT every year,road TAX  for use of the roads and a valid INSURANCE,paid yearly and also valid for that time,as far as i'm aware,so do all the other EU countries…

So,my point is,if i am away from the UK,and my Insurance/MOTor Tax runs out,I am in fact breaking the law,not only in the UK (and i'm not there,maybe in Spain at the time) or the EU law.

Why cant EU road users be classed the same,and for their convenience be able to recieve and purchase these documents ,ANYWHERE in the EU,as an example,i overstayed a long holiday while travelling Europe,i had to stop said holiday when noticing documents about to expire ! thus a long rushed 2000 mile journey back to the UK,to get the out dated TAX,that i hadn't or wouldn't have used (as being out of the country for 6 months !) an MOT,where as ANY qualified mot station in the EU could have made sure my vehicle was safe (as thats what its for) and that INSURANCE be purchased in any insurance broker (online or in that particular EU country )  as for instance,a Bulgarian can get EU cover insurance with even added perks of a green card that allows him  a greater number of countries of cover,it also covers him for the UK !! but the same Bulgarian/Spanish/Italian would have the same problem as myself and have to travel the 1000/2000 miles back to their country of origin,to be lawfull again,which seems in this computer ,open borders EU countries,rather ludicrous.

Can anyone see my point  ? please make a comment,and any Govt official,please look into this,before someone takes it to a tribunal/law courts …from a EU road user,with rights ???

 

Remove need for inspection of donor vehicle when registration transferred.

Remove the requirement for the donor vehicle to be inspected at a DVLA office when transferring a registration, provided that a current MOT is still in force and the vehicle is currently licensed.

At present, the DVLA requres a vehicle to be inspected if it is more than a certain number of years old.  This is quite pointless if there is a valid MOT certificate and licence in force, as the vehicle would have been inspected by an MOT testing station within the previous 12 months.

Why is this idea important?

Remove the requirement for the donor vehicle to be inspected at a DVLA office when transferring a registration, provided that a current MOT is still in force and the vehicle is currently licensed.

At present, the DVLA requres a vehicle to be inspected if it is more than a certain number of years old.  This is quite pointless if there is a valid MOT certificate and licence in force, as the vehicle would have been inspected by an MOT testing station within the previous 12 months.

Make life easier for motor vechcles AND save money

Get rid of:

  • Speed bumps – high cost, but most drivers pass over them without problem – and they can cause noise and pollution;
  • Raised junctions / speed cushions – make no practical difference to anyone, road user or pedestriains, but must cost a fortune ( see this link for what these things are: http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/cms/parking_rubbish_and_streets/general_street_information/road_and_traffic_safety/traffic_calming_measures.aspx )
  • The sea of traffic signs and street furniture;
  • Parking regulations, where parking wouldn't disturb anyone;
  • MOTs every year – two yearly works fine in other European countries;
  • Car tax discs, get the money from petrol tax, on a tax neutral basis- save on the administration;
  • Traffic lights at minor junctions – use white paint for a mini roundabout – cheaper and traffic flows more efficiently. How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?
  • Red traffic lights outside of the rush hour, on less busy roads – have them flash amber, signalling proceed with caution. Again works well elsewhere in the world, why not here? How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?

Why is this idea important?

Get rid of:

  • Speed bumps – high cost, but most drivers pass over them without problem – and they can cause noise and pollution;
  • Raised junctions / speed cushions – make no practical difference to anyone, road user or pedestriains, but must cost a fortune ( see this link for what these things are: http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/cms/parking_rubbish_and_streets/general_street_information/road_and_traffic_safety/traffic_calming_measures.aspx )
  • The sea of traffic signs and street furniture;
  • Parking regulations, where parking wouldn't disturb anyone;
  • MOTs every year – two yearly works fine in other European countries;
  • Car tax discs, get the money from petrol tax, on a tax neutral basis- save on the administration;
  • Traffic lights at minor junctions – use white paint for a mini roundabout – cheaper and traffic flows more efficiently. How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?
  • Red traffic lights outside of the rush hour, on less busy roads – have them flash amber, signalling proceed with caution. Again works well elsewhere in the world, why not here? How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?

Remove road tax and place mot badge on windscreens

The cost of administering the road tax, police wasting time on road tax evasion, court costs. Administrative costs can all be stopped at once. By adding it to the fuel duty as a quite specific road tax duty clearly identified in the cost.   The heavy road users and gas guzzling vehicles would pay most. The ones that don't use the car a lot would pay less far fairer.

This will lead to more innovation towards cheaper cleaner fuels more efficient vehicles marketed towards the high vehicle usage business.

Foreign truck drivers could then be made to pay more of their fair share that have allowed them to undercut our industry. This can be achieved by ensuring that when they bring vehicles over British boarders that their fuel tanks are no greater than 1/4 full of fuel, which ensure that they must fill up in the UK and contribute.

Tax sticker replaced by MOT sticker on front of vehicle which if not visible would earn a ticket.

Trucks to be PSV'd  TWICE yearly ensuring their road worthiness.

Do the sums, massive savings to be made by doing this

Why is this idea important?

The cost of administering the road tax, police wasting time on road tax evasion, court costs. Administrative costs can all be stopped at once. By adding it to the fuel duty as a quite specific road tax duty clearly identified in the cost.   The heavy road users and gas guzzling vehicles would pay most. The ones that don't use the car a lot would pay less far fairer.

This will lead to more innovation towards cheaper cleaner fuels more efficient vehicles marketed towards the high vehicle usage business.

Foreign truck drivers could then be made to pay more of their fair share that have allowed them to undercut our industry. This can be achieved by ensuring that when they bring vehicles over British boarders that their fuel tanks are no greater than 1/4 full of fuel, which ensure that they must fill up in the UK and contribute.

Tax sticker replaced by MOT sticker on front of vehicle which if not visible would earn a ticket.

Trucks to be PSV'd  TWICE yearly ensuring their road worthiness.

Do the sums, massive savings to be made by doing this

Make MoT tests every two years for newer cars.

MoT tests are annual from the car's third birthday.  But cars today are much more reliable than when this regulation was introduced.  The start point could be changed to year four or five and the tests made every two years until the car was, say ten years old.

Why is this idea important?

MoT tests are annual from the car's third birthday.  But cars today are much more reliable than when this regulation was introduced.  The start point could be changed to year four or five and the tests made every two years until the car was, say ten years old.

Scrap Road Tax

Scrap Road Tax and generate the same revenue through taxation of fuel or car insurance or MOT fees.

Save loads of money by removing all the administration and bits of paper and people necessary administering the road system.  The same revenue could be obtained through other existing mechanisms.

Collect via fuel: means people who use their car only a little pay less and they are burning fewer resources and emitting lower greenhouse gasses.  Whilst those who use their car a lot are contributing more as they are burning more of the world's resources and emitting more greenhouse gasses.

Collect via insurance:  Either a fixed additional fee collected or a percentage of the premium.  Percentage of the premium would further reward careful drivers with small economical cars.  Additionally it avoids the need for anybody to check the car is insured on the day the "tax" is purchased as it is purchased with insurance (i.e. automatic).

Collect via MOT: again avoids the need to check the MOT certificate as the tax is automatic with the MOT certificate.

Why is this idea important?

Scrap Road Tax and generate the same revenue through taxation of fuel or car insurance or MOT fees.

Save loads of money by removing all the administration and bits of paper and people necessary administering the road system.  The same revenue could be obtained through other existing mechanisms.

Collect via fuel: means people who use their car only a little pay less and they are burning fewer resources and emitting lower greenhouse gasses.  Whilst those who use their car a lot are contributing more as they are burning more of the world's resources and emitting more greenhouse gasses.

Collect via insurance:  Either a fixed additional fee collected or a percentage of the premium.  Percentage of the premium would further reward careful drivers with small economical cars.  Additionally it avoids the need for anybody to check the car is insured on the day the "tax" is purchased as it is purchased with insurance (i.e. automatic).

Collect via MOT: again avoids the need to check the MOT certificate as the tax is automatic with the MOT certificate.

Replace the RFL and display disc with an MOT Pass disc.

Abolishing the Road Fund Licence (RFL) is not a new idea and used to be a Liberal / Lib-Dem election policy (for elections prior to 2010).  However, the idea and plans were never fully thought through because of the affect it would have on the road haulage industry and DVLA with possible loss of work and jobs.

Having previously worked for a company that had a fleet of some 250+ haulage vehicle of various sizes, where it was my responsibility to tax and untax vehciles on a month to month basis, I am aware that the rate of RFL paid depends on the CC, tonnage and number of axles a vehicle has.

We must therefore make it clear that any change to the RFL cannot simply be about cars but moreover all vehicles that use the roads.

Based on the government DVLA website for the RFL, I've calculated that abolishing the RFL for all vehicles currently paying an annual fee of up to £400, would be most cost affective based on the average annual miliage of both cars and most haulage vehicles.  Some much larger, heavier and specialised vehicles that currently pay substantially more than £400 for their annual RFL would possibly gain even more if the RFL was abolished and an avergae cost was added to the fuel, so some excemptions could be made.

Another advantage of adding the "tax" element for using the roads, to the fuel, is that all of the foreign vehicles that come to the UK from continental Europe and Ireland, do not, at present, make any contribution to the repair and maintenance of the UK road network.  By adding the tax to the fuel, they would.

I agree that 3rd party insurance could easily and automatically be collected by the Treasury whenever the fuel was purchased.  A government backed vehicle insurance agency could be set up to help administer this.

However, rather than making anyone redundant at the DVLA, their work could switch to becoming focused on chasing people who don't have an MOT.  This must surely be more dangerous for all road users, than not paying the RFL.  Statistics regularly prove that people who currently avoid paying for the RFL also don't have an MOT.  Therefore, by abolishing the need to pay the RFL, we can focus our efforts on getting cars without an MOT, off the roads.

Furthermore, an MOT Pass disc could replace the RFL "Tax Disc" to be purchased and displayed in the window of the vehicle.  The process of obtaining this new MOT disc could replace the RFL process.  Rather than issue the MOT certificate at a test garage / station, the vehicle owner would have to present their completed MOT Pass certificate to the Post Office, DVLA centre or send it to the central DVLA, who would then check everything was in order and issue the MOT window display disc.  The test station would also have to send / register their part of the certificate documentation, to the DVLA, in the same way that they already do.

All vehciles entering the UK from foreign countries could be issued with a temporary MOT disc based on a visual inspection at the point of entry.  The owner / driver could complete a "Vehicle entry certificate" before they arrive at the port, to declare their vehicle is roadworthy and pay a nominal administration fee for the temporary UK MOT sticker.  This temporary UK MOT sticker would also be displayed on the front window, (as they are in east European countries), so that a quick visual check can be made by anyone at any time.  The temporary MOT sticker would last for 20 days, thus allowing people to visit for holidays but if they are coming to stay, they must ensure they get their vehicle to pass the standard MOT within this early period of time after they first arrive.  Information for doing this could be given in all languages and linked to a website for further help. 

If the Customs officer / point of entry official had reason to believe a vehicle was unroadworthy, it could be temporarily impounded / taken to a neaby test station and checked.  I'm sure it would be possibe to set-up such test sations on-site at the larger ports such as Dover and these could possibly operate on a 24/7 basis.  The vehicle owner would pay for this test and any repairs that are needed to make their vehicle road worthy. 

Various statistics, reports and documentation have shown that the influx of foreigners from various countries in the past 10 years has brought in many vehicles that do not conform to our MOT and indeed an every increasing rate of accidents are being caused by foreign drivers / vehicles.

Of course, focusing on making sure that every vehicle in the UK road network is actually road worthy (has an MOT), and contributes to the road maintenance, may not reduce bureaucracy but it will ensure a fairer system of having safer vehicles on the roads is able to develop. 

The Post Office / DVLA checking and processing system would be important and necessary as all MOT test stations would have to be registered.  If a test station was found to be "dodgy" in any way or under investigation for issuing false Pass certificates (as random checks would need to be conducted), then the Post Office / DVLA could flag-up such occurances immediately and prior to issuing the MOT disc.

Why is this idea important?

Abolishing the Road Fund Licence (RFL) is not a new idea and used to be a Liberal / Lib-Dem election policy (for elections prior to 2010).  However, the idea and plans were never fully thought through because of the affect it would have on the road haulage industry and DVLA with possible loss of work and jobs.

Having previously worked for a company that had a fleet of some 250+ haulage vehicle of various sizes, where it was my responsibility to tax and untax vehciles on a month to month basis, I am aware that the rate of RFL paid depends on the CC, tonnage and number of axles a vehicle has.

We must therefore make it clear that any change to the RFL cannot simply be about cars but moreover all vehicles that use the roads.

Based on the government DVLA website for the RFL, I've calculated that abolishing the RFL for all vehicles currently paying an annual fee of up to £400, would be most cost affective based on the average annual miliage of both cars and most haulage vehicles.  Some much larger, heavier and specialised vehicles that currently pay substantially more than £400 for their annual RFL would possibly gain even more if the RFL was abolished and an avergae cost was added to the fuel, so some excemptions could be made.

Another advantage of adding the "tax" element for using the roads, to the fuel, is that all of the foreign vehicles that come to the UK from continental Europe and Ireland, do not, at present, make any contribution to the repair and maintenance of the UK road network.  By adding the tax to the fuel, they would.

I agree that 3rd party insurance could easily and automatically be collected by the Treasury whenever the fuel was purchased.  A government backed vehicle insurance agency could be set up to help administer this.

However, rather than making anyone redundant at the DVLA, their work could switch to becoming focused on chasing people who don't have an MOT.  This must surely be more dangerous for all road users, than not paying the RFL.  Statistics regularly prove that people who currently avoid paying for the RFL also don't have an MOT.  Therefore, by abolishing the need to pay the RFL, we can focus our efforts on getting cars without an MOT, off the roads.

Furthermore, an MOT Pass disc could replace the RFL "Tax Disc" to be purchased and displayed in the window of the vehicle.  The process of obtaining this new MOT disc could replace the RFL process.  Rather than issue the MOT certificate at a test garage / station, the vehicle owner would have to present their completed MOT Pass certificate to the Post Office, DVLA centre or send it to the central DVLA, who would then check everything was in order and issue the MOT window display disc.  The test station would also have to send / register their part of the certificate documentation, to the DVLA, in the same way that they already do.

All vehciles entering the UK from foreign countries could be issued with a temporary MOT disc based on a visual inspection at the point of entry.  The owner / driver could complete a "Vehicle entry certificate" before they arrive at the port, to declare their vehicle is roadworthy and pay a nominal administration fee for the temporary UK MOT sticker.  This temporary UK MOT sticker would also be displayed on the front window, (as they are in east European countries), so that a quick visual check can be made by anyone at any time.  The temporary MOT sticker would last for 20 days, thus allowing people to visit for holidays but if they are coming to stay, they must ensure they get their vehicle to pass the standard MOT within this early period of time after they first arrive.  Information for doing this could be given in all languages and linked to a website for further help. 

If the Customs officer / point of entry official had reason to believe a vehicle was unroadworthy, it could be temporarily impounded / taken to a neaby test station and checked.  I'm sure it would be possibe to set-up such test sations on-site at the larger ports such as Dover and these could possibly operate on a 24/7 basis.  The vehicle owner would pay for this test and any repairs that are needed to make their vehicle road worthy. 

Various statistics, reports and documentation have shown that the influx of foreigners from various countries in the past 10 years has brought in many vehicles that do not conform to our MOT and indeed an every increasing rate of accidents are being caused by foreign drivers / vehicles.

Of course, focusing on making sure that every vehicle in the UK road network is actually road worthy (has an MOT), and contributes to the road maintenance, may not reduce bureaucracy but it will ensure a fairer system of having safer vehicles on the roads is able to develop. 

The Post Office / DVLA checking and processing system would be important and necessary as all MOT test stations would have to be registered.  If a test station was found to be "dodgy" in any way or under investigation for issuing false Pass certificates (as random checks would need to be conducted), then the Post Office / DVLA could flag-up such occurances immediately and prior to issuing the MOT disc.

ABOLISH ROAD TAX –

Road tax is expensive.

Tax on Petrol/diesel is a rip off and we pay more in tax than we do for the fuel

Insurance for cars is excessive, and young drivers can pay over £4,000 for insurance.

MOT is a legal requirement for vehicles over 3 years old.

 

MY PROPOSAL

SCARP Road Tax, Decrease fuel tax.  change insurance to be non-compulsary BUT

Introduce a new scheme – covering all vehicles over 1 year old by

Amending the MOT scheme – increase the cost to £150.00 per vehicle over 1 year old and this must be refreshed when the vehicle changes name.  This cost would include the MOT as it stands for vehicles over 3 years and a certificate of Road worthyness for vehicles over 1 year old, but included in the price includes a contribution towards road tax and minimum third party insurance.

Drivers can elect to carry their own insurance, but this eliminates all those drivers who don't have insurance.  A coloured disc will be displayed in the windscreen as it is now with the tax disc along with a document confirming name of owner, car details and covering thrid part insurance run by central governement.

This scheme is run in countries such a New Zealand.

The fuel duty should be cut and fall in light with the current VAT rate of 17.5% rather than the 60% or thereabout that it is at the moment.  This would encourange drivers to maintain their cars and elect for this scheme.

Young drivers cannot afford to insure their cars and don't this way all cars on the road are insured.

This scheme could also be extended to cover caravans

Why is this idea important?

Road tax is expensive.

Tax on Petrol/diesel is a rip off and we pay more in tax than we do for the fuel

Insurance for cars is excessive, and young drivers can pay over £4,000 for insurance.

MOT is a legal requirement for vehicles over 3 years old.

 

MY PROPOSAL

SCARP Road Tax, Decrease fuel tax.  change insurance to be non-compulsary BUT

Introduce a new scheme – covering all vehicles over 1 year old by

Amending the MOT scheme – increase the cost to £150.00 per vehicle over 1 year old and this must be refreshed when the vehicle changes name.  This cost would include the MOT as it stands for vehicles over 3 years and a certificate of Road worthyness for vehicles over 1 year old, but included in the price includes a contribution towards road tax and minimum third party insurance.

Drivers can elect to carry their own insurance, but this eliminates all those drivers who don't have insurance.  A coloured disc will be displayed in the windscreen as it is now with the tax disc along with a document confirming name of owner, car details and covering thrid part insurance run by central governement.

This scheme is run in countries such a New Zealand.

The fuel duty should be cut and fall in light with the current VAT rate of 17.5% rather than the 60% or thereabout that it is at the moment.  This would encourange drivers to maintain their cars and elect for this scheme.

Young drivers cannot afford to insure their cars and don't this way all cars on the road are insured.

This scheme could also be extended to cover caravans

Road Tax and Mandatory 3rd Party Car Insurance

Abolish road tax.

Add cost to petrol, this will force all road users to pay on a 'pay as you drive basis'.

This will surly cut the cost of the DVLA.

Add the cost of mandatory third party car insurance to the cost of fuel. EVERYBODY will be insured. You can TOP UP your insurance to fully comp if you wish.

No more police asking to check your insurance as you have it automatically!! The redundant people at the DVLA due to abolishing road tax can now deal with insurence 3rd party claims!

 

Sorry about any speeling mistakes but I am working.

Why is this idea important?

Abolish road tax.

Add cost to petrol, this will force all road users to pay on a 'pay as you drive basis'.

This will surly cut the cost of the DVLA.

Add the cost of mandatory third party car insurance to the cost of fuel. EVERYBODY will be insured. You can TOP UP your insurance to fully comp if you wish.

No more police asking to check your insurance as you have it automatically!! The redundant people at the DVLA due to abolishing road tax can now deal with insurence 3rd party claims!

 

Sorry about any speeling mistakes but I am working.

increase the interval between M.O.T. inspections to 2 years

In Spain private cars are inspected every 2 years until they are 10 years old. Modern cars are becoming increasingly more reliable so annual inspections are, in my opinion, O.T.T. I do not suggest that cars with worn tyres, defective brakes, etc. should be allowed on the roads, but anyone in their right mind would not drive a car which might kill him, and so transferring the inspection of such items to the owner would save the cost of an official inspection every other year, which would be popular with motorists, and it would also mean less time off work to take a car to the M.O.T. station,which would also be popular.

It should be possible to obtain figures for accidents caused by cars with faults which would have been picked up by the M.O.T. I bet there are very, very few

Why is this idea important?

In Spain private cars are inspected every 2 years until they are 10 years old. Modern cars are becoming increasingly more reliable so annual inspections are, in my opinion, O.T.T. I do not suggest that cars with worn tyres, defective brakes, etc. should be allowed on the roads, but anyone in their right mind would not drive a car which might kill him, and so transferring the inspection of such items to the owner would save the cost of an official inspection every other year, which would be popular with motorists, and it would also mean less time off work to take a car to the M.O.T. station,which would also be popular.

It should be possible to obtain figures for accidents caused by cars with faults which would have been picked up by the M.O.T. I bet there are very, very few