Police DNA Database

If you get arrested by the police for whatever reason,once your booked in they take your photo, fingerprints and DNA sample. Then later on its proven and your cleared of the conviction and let go with out charge.  The police should take your DNA sample off there database..

    [e.g.]  They have my DNA I wasnt charged, years on and I apply for a Job that requires a CRB check,  because of my DNA on there database that could indicate that I have been in trouble with the police and convicted of a crime then I loose the chance of that job all for wrongly kept information being held on there database.

Keep the DNA samples of convicted criminals remove the DNA samples of innocent people

Why is this idea important?

If you get arrested by the police for whatever reason,once your booked in they take your photo, fingerprints and DNA sample. Then later on its proven and your cleared of the conviction and let go with out charge.  The police should take your DNA sample off there database..

    [e.g.]  They have my DNA I wasnt charged, years on and I apply for a Job that requires a CRB check,  because of my DNA on there database that could indicate that I have been in trouble with the police and convicted of a crime then I loose the chance of that job all for wrongly kept information being held on there database.

Keep the DNA samples of convicted criminals remove the DNA samples of innocent people

Removal of the innocent from Databases

All innocent people must be taken off all data bases, including those found innocent of sexually related incidents and violent crime, because innocent is innocent regardless of what.

These innocent people are given a life sentence in effect because their names remain linked to crimes they did not commit, but are seen by anyone checking at job interviews and other such occasions.

They must be removed from CRB lists, DNA bases and police records of all types including arrest reports.

Please see to this as a matter of urgency  and restore some faith in British justice, which I thought was a model for other countries.

Why is this idea important?

All innocent people must be taken off all data bases, including those found innocent of sexually related incidents and violent crime, because innocent is innocent regardless of what.

These innocent people are given a life sentence in effect because their names remain linked to crimes they did not commit, but are seen by anyone checking at job interviews and other such occasions.

They must be removed from CRB lists, DNA bases and police records of all types including arrest reports.

Please see to this as a matter of urgency  and restore some faith in British justice, which I thought was a model for other countries.

All innocent people to be taken off all data bases

All people found innocent must be taken off all data bases.This includes removal from D.N .A bases, C.R B  unfounded, unfavourable reports, untrue sex offenders register inclusions  and arrest warrent reports.

I do not of course condone any criminal behaviour especially with regard to children.

But  the former government seems to have put in place the powers to perform irrational witch hunts in these areas, and many innocent people are caught in this net and can never escape.

Their names are forever tainted and job searches will constantly find their names on such lists  and deny them oppurtunities to get beyond the nightmare of unfounded suspicions. .

This is virtually  a life sentence for crimes that were not committed,

This is  irrational, illogical and unjust,and not what British justice is supposed to be respected for.

Whatever the  suspected crime, in any category, including violent or sexually related crime, if found innocent, that must be respected and believed.

People are falsely criminalised and their lives stopped , society is deprived of valuable member's input, and it is a huge waste of time and money to put such people and their family and friends through the financial and emotional turmoil.

This is urgently in need of renovation

Why is this idea important?

All people found innocent must be taken off all data bases.This includes removal from D.N .A bases, C.R B  unfounded, unfavourable reports, untrue sex offenders register inclusions  and arrest warrent reports.

I do not of course condone any criminal behaviour especially with regard to children.

But  the former government seems to have put in place the powers to perform irrational witch hunts in these areas, and many innocent people are caught in this net and can never escape.

Their names are forever tainted and job searches will constantly find their names on such lists  and deny them oppurtunities to get beyond the nightmare of unfounded suspicions. .

This is virtually  a life sentence for crimes that were not committed,

This is  irrational, illogical and unjust,and not what British justice is supposed to be respected for.

Whatever the  suspected crime, in any category, including violent or sexually related crime, if found innocent, that must be respected and believed.

People are falsely criminalised and their lives stopped , society is deprived of valuable member's input, and it is a huge waste of time and money to put such people and their family and friends through the financial and emotional turmoil.

This is urgently in need of renovation

Criminal Liability for DNA Database abuse

Restrict the retention of people's DNA for police records to those found guilty of crimes warranting a custodial sentence and enforce the law by making senior police officers criminally liable for illegal retention of a cleared suspect's DNA.

Why is this idea important?

Restrict the retention of people's DNA for police records to those found guilty of crimes warranting a custodial sentence and enforce the law by making senior police officers criminally liable for illegal retention of a cleared suspect's DNA.

STOP POLICE TAKING DNA AND FINGER PRINTING OF INNOCENT INDIVIDUALS IN ORDER TO MEET THEIR TARGETS AND BY DOING SO COLLECT EXTRA BONUSES FOR THEMSELVES

My idea is to curb the Law which allows the Police to take innocent people into the cells in order to meet their targets (which came into being under the Labour Government) and by doing so collect extra bonuses for themselves at the year end if they met those targets of profiling innocent peoples DNA DATA  AND FINGER PRINTING.

 

All innocent people who have had this happen to them should  have that data removed (just like Damien Green had his removed ) IMMEDIATELY and be informed of this by the POLICE and not only that but restitution should be made by way of including an APOLOGY by the CHIEF OF THAT POLICE AUTHORITY  to that innocent individual who has been released without any charges made against them. 

 

The Police should have no Authority to abuse their Powers in such a way. 

Why is this idea important?

My idea is to curb the Law which allows the Police to take innocent people into the cells in order to meet their targets (which came into being under the Labour Government) and by doing so collect extra bonuses for themselves at the year end if they met those targets of profiling innocent peoples DNA DATA  AND FINGER PRINTING.

 

All innocent people who have had this happen to them should  have that data removed (just like Damien Green had his removed ) IMMEDIATELY and be informed of this by the POLICE and not only that but restitution should be made by way of including an APOLOGY by the CHIEF OF THAT POLICE AUTHORITY  to that innocent individual who has been released without any charges made against them. 

 

The Police should have no Authority to abuse their Powers in such a way. 

Delete police records on the police national computer.

A young boy has a fight at school with another pupil. The school call the police who decide that one boy is to blame. The boy has two choices: admit his 'guilt' and recieve a police caution, or he can be prosecuted.

The boy choses the caution – and this is recorded on the PNS for life (or 100 years!).

There is now a growing army of companies, NGOs and other organisations that are allowd access to the PNC.

The boy suddenly finds that he cannot get a job – not least with children or other professional bodies because (in a competitive market) why take someone with a police record?

The boy's life is ruined.

This is not rihgt. We should have the following legislation in the UK:

a.   Only court convictions should be on the PNC.

b.   All minor convictions should be removed form the PNC after the punishment has been served.

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Why is this idea important?

A young boy has a fight at school with another pupil. The school call the police who decide that one boy is to blame. The boy has two choices: admit his 'guilt' and recieve a police caution, or he can be prosecuted.

The boy choses the caution – and this is recorded on the PNS for life (or 100 years!).

There is now a growing army of companies, NGOs and other organisations that are allowd access to the PNC.

The boy suddenly finds that he cannot get a job – not least with children or other professional bodies because (in a competitive market) why take someone with a police record?

The boy's life is ruined.

This is not rihgt. We should have the following legislation in the UK:

a.   Only court convictions should be on the PNC.

b.   All minor convictions should be removed form the PNC after the punishment has been served.

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Power to take fingerprints and DNA upon arrest

As a former police officer (left in 1996) we only used to take fingerprints upon charge which would then be destroyed if the person was not prosecuted or found not guilty – they were able to witness that destruction if they so requested.

We should return to this standard.  (Authorisation from a higher rank could be sought if it was justified to take a person's fingerprints etc if doing so would prove or disprove their involvement in the offence in question or if there was doubt as to their true identity and taking such samples would be able to prove their identity.)

Why is this idea important?

As a former police officer (left in 1996) we only used to take fingerprints upon charge which would then be destroyed if the person was not prosecuted or found not guilty – they were able to witness that destruction if they so requested.

We should return to this standard.  (Authorisation from a higher rank could be sought if it was justified to take a person's fingerprints etc if doing so would prove or disprove their involvement in the offence in question or if there was doubt as to their true identity and taking such samples would be able to prove their identity.)

Repeal/Scrapping of Police DNA Database for innocent people

I would like to see the scrapping of retention of DNA by the police of innocent people not convicted of an offence.

Further i would like to see a maximum time limit that the police can retain DNA of people convicted of relatively minor offences.

Why is this idea important?

I would like to see the scrapping of retention of DNA by the police of innocent people not convicted of an offence.

Further i would like to see a maximum time limit that the police can retain DNA of people convicted of relatively minor offences.

Generally to reinstate our rights to freedom & liberty. Ultimately erosion of freedoms will result in a society where Government acts without regard to the rights of individuals

That the present Lib Dem and Conservative Government repeal the legislation, and in some situations introduce new legislation to protect the rights of individuals. Areas would include;

  • Stop the routine monitoring of people by CCTV, Automatic Number plate recognition, facial recognition technologies, Travel cards i.e. Oyster, Chips, storing of emails, tracking of Internet sites visited, tracking countries visited by people, storing of text messages etc.
  • Remove innocent people from the DNA database and restricting any Police DNA database to consist only of people who have been convicted of a crime, and even then for a maximum period of 5 years following release from prison.
  • Restoring people’s rights to peaceful demonstration in a public place, the right to public assembly for more than two peopleincluding the right to protest in Parliament Square.
  • Extend right to anonymity of people making allegations of physical or sexual assault to the person(s) accused of such assaults.
  • Removal of speed cameras from positions other than adjacent to schools (where they should only work during daylight hours) or from other locations unless road traffic fatalities have occurred within prior 3 years.
  • Restore the ‘right to silence’ for those accused in court and prevent allegations of ‘bad character’ from being used in court. To reinstate the principle of double jeopardy in UK law.
  • Abolition of Enhanced Criminal Records Checks ability, under ‘any other comments’,  to contain any remark that relates to accusations where the applicant has not been charged, or has been charged and found not guilty, or other ‘soft’ unsubstantiated information.
  • The introduction of a written constitution to enshrine and safeguard the rights to freedom of the British Public (similar to Bill of Rights).
  • To restrict the growth in ‘no win no fee’ claims for damages.
  • To restrict Health and Safety legislation to practical and reasonable levels.
  • To stop Police forces from using remote control drone devices to film or otherwise record people, demonstrations etc.
  • To ensure the right to trial by jury for serious offences.
  • To remove the rights of the Police to stop and question/search people with no reason.

Why is this idea important?

That the present Lib Dem and Conservative Government repeal the legislation, and in some situations introduce new legislation to protect the rights of individuals. Areas would include;

  • Stop the routine monitoring of people by CCTV, Automatic Number plate recognition, facial recognition technologies, Travel cards i.e. Oyster, Chips, storing of emails, tracking of Internet sites visited, tracking countries visited by people, storing of text messages etc.
  • Remove innocent people from the DNA database and restricting any Police DNA database to consist only of people who have been convicted of a crime, and even then for a maximum period of 5 years following release from prison.
  • Restoring people’s rights to peaceful demonstration in a public place, the right to public assembly for more than two peopleincluding the right to protest in Parliament Square.
  • Extend right to anonymity of people making allegations of physical or sexual assault to the person(s) accused of such assaults.
  • Removal of speed cameras from positions other than adjacent to schools (where they should only work during daylight hours) or from other locations unless road traffic fatalities have occurred within prior 3 years.
  • Restore the ‘right to silence’ for those accused in court and prevent allegations of ‘bad character’ from being used in court. To reinstate the principle of double jeopardy in UK law.
  • Abolition of Enhanced Criminal Records Checks ability, under ‘any other comments’,  to contain any remark that relates to accusations where the applicant has not been charged, or has been charged and found not guilty, or other ‘soft’ unsubstantiated information.
  • The introduction of a written constitution to enshrine and safeguard the rights to freedom of the British Public (similar to Bill of Rights).
  • To restrict the growth in ‘no win no fee’ claims for damages.
  • To restrict Health and Safety legislation to practical and reasonable levels.
  • To stop Police forces from using remote control drone devices to film or otherwise record people, demonstrations etc.
  • To ensure the right to trial by jury for serious offences.
  • To remove the rights of the Police to stop and question/search people with no reason.

Remove the DNA of juveniles given cautions, reprimands or final warnings

The DNA samples, and computerized DNA profiles, of children under the age of 17, arrested and handed cautions, reprimands or final warnings (but not charged, and therefore who never appeared in court or convicted of any offense), should be either removed at age 18 or kept for six years (whichever is longer). 

Cautions, reprimands and final warnings are not convictions and therefore, keeping the DNA profiles of juveniles who have been handed them is wrong. 

Why is this idea important?

The DNA samples, and computerized DNA profiles, of children under the age of 17, arrested and handed cautions, reprimands or final warnings (but not charged, and therefore who never appeared in court or convicted of any offense), should be either removed at age 18 or kept for six years (whichever is longer). 

Cautions, reprimands and final warnings are not convictions and therefore, keeping the DNA profiles of juveniles who have been handed them is wrong. 

A person should be assumed innocent unless proven guilty

The Police compel people to give DNA samples when arrested and this sample is then kept on file permanently. This is wrong in a democratic country and the practise should be stopped.

Only convicted citizens of violent offences should have their DNA stored to protect other citizens and DNA from acquitted citizens should be destroyed.

Whilst there have been cases where old crimes have been solved by this practise those people whose DNA is not linked to any crime should be removed from the database.

The Criminal & Justice Police Act 2001 & Criminal Justice Act 2003 should be repealed or replaced.

Why is this idea important?

The Police compel people to give DNA samples when arrested and this sample is then kept on file permanently. This is wrong in a democratic country and the practise should be stopped.

Only convicted citizens of violent offences should have their DNA stored to protect other citizens and DNA from acquitted citizens should be destroyed.

Whilst there have been cases where old crimes have been solved by this practise those people whose DNA is not linked to any crime should be removed from the database.

The Criminal & Justice Police Act 2001 & Criminal Justice Act 2003 should be repealed or replaced.

DNA database

Permanently remove the details of anybody who has not been convicted of a crime from the DNA database within 6 months of the sample being taken.

Why is this idea important?

Permanently remove the details of anybody who has not been convicted of a crime from the DNA database within 6 months of the sample being taken.

Restore common sense and community policing

There was a time when a police officer on the beat could solve a minor disturbance in a public place, or between neighbours when tempers are rising on a hot summer's night, simply by having a quiet word with all parties involved and giving out a few warnings.

Today's topsy turvy world of policing involves arresting everyone in sight simply to get another DNA record on a discredited database and asking questions later. With this dogged approach the police are throwing pages of caution, written by our legislators into the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE), into the wind. Rather than the sensible ideas behind 'Community Policing' officers are today forced to abandon any common sense and turn citizens against them by making unnecessary humiliating and stigmatising public arrests and then spending hours writing reports in triplicate about this waste of public resources.

Let's enable Police Officers to use common sense and discretion again. Let's call the APCO lobby ( note: a private company, not answerable to Freedom of Information legislation) to account for being an illegal IT lobby hell bent on selling more data base systems in which data protection principles are flouted and Human rRghts to a private live are breached on a daily basis. Note that the UK government was convicted over this mis-use in the Case S. and Marper on December 4th 2008 in the  ECHR in Strassburg.

Why is this idea important?

There was a time when a police officer on the beat could solve a minor disturbance in a public place, or between neighbours when tempers are rising on a hot summer's night, simply by having a quiet word with all parties involved and giving out a few warnings.

Today's topsy turvy world of policing involves arresting everyone in sight simply to get another DNA record on a discredited database and asking questions later. With this dogged approach the police are throwing pages of caution, written by our legislators into the Police and Criminal Evidence Act (PACE), into the wind. Rather than the sensible ideas behind 'Community Policing' officers are today forced to abandon any common sense and turn citizens against them by making unnecessary humiliating and stigmatising public arrests and then spending hours writing reports in triplicate about this waste of public resources.

Let's enable Police Officers to use common sense and discretion again. Let's call the APCO lobby ( note: a private company, not answerable to Freedom of Information legislation) to account for being an illegal IT lobby hell bent on selling more data base systems in which data protection principles are flouted and Human rRghts to a private live are breached on a daily basis. Note that the UK government was convicted over this mis-use in the Case S. and Marper on December 4th 2008 in the  ECHR in Strassburg.

Restore Freedoms

No ID Cards and associated Database.

No RIPA powers for any Local Councils or Govt bodies  under any circumstances,  apart from the Police.

No APNR of innocent people.

No. DNA Database of innocent people.

No CCTV unless it has proven to lower crime in a certain  area.

No Speeding Cameras unless they are proven to have lowered accidents in a certain area,,

No recording of people's phoncalls, text messages, website visits and emails, other than for targetted individuals suspected of serious crime.  And witth a warrant needed from a magistrate.

No Nanny State –  let people decide how to manage their lives , not the state.

No  automatic recording of peoples journeys in and out of the UK unless suspected of a serious crime. And with a warrant needed from a magistrate.

No Control Orders.

No 28 Days Detention without Charge –  lower it to 5-7 days.

No Stop and Search without good reason.

Make the UK a country where Freedoms and Civil Liberties are of paramount importance and the State minds it own business and stays out of our lives !

 

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Why is this idea important?

No ID Cards and associated Database.

No RIPA powers for any Local Councils or Govt bodies  under any circumstances,  apart from the Police.

No APNR of innocent people.

No. DNA Database of innocent people.

No CCTV unless it has proven to lower crime in a certain  area.

No Speeding Cameras unless they are proven to have lowered accidents in a certain area,,

No recording of people's phoncalls, text messages, website visits and emails, other than for targetted individuals suspected of serious crime.  And witth a warrant needed from a magistrate.

No Nanny State –  let people decide how to manage their lives , not the state.

No  automatic recording of peoples journeys in and out of the UK unless suspected of a serious crime. And with a warrant needed from a magistrate.

No Control Orders.

No 28 Days Detention without Charge –  lower it to 5-7 days.

No Stop and Search without good reason.

Make the UK a country where Freedoms and Civil Liberties are of paramount importance and the State minds it own business and stays out of our lives !

 

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