Tax motorbikes the same as cars

Why do I pay £70approx per year to tax an 1100cc motorcycle that does 60mpg with CO2 emissions of less than 70g – cars that emit this amount pay nothing?

And I take up less space on the road, and do less damage to the road itself.

Curious – or simply another  'if we do this fairly we will lose Revenue'.

Actually I think all vehicles should pay a nominal Road tax (say £25) to cover admin etc for checking Insurance and MOT details, then simply add 2p to a litre of fuel, that way Road Tax dodgers will be stuffed as they presumably do not have the gall to steal petrol, and people pay for their use of the roads more equitably.

 

Why is this idea important?

Why do I pay £70approx per year to tax an 1100cc motorcycle that does 60mpg with CO2 emissions of less than 70g – cars that emit this amount pay nothing?

And I take up less space on the road, and do less damage to the road itself.

Curious – or simply another  'if we do this fairly we will lose Revenue'.

Actually I think all vehicles should pay a nominal Road tax (say £25) to cover admin etc for checking Insurance and MOT details, then simply add 2p to a litre of fuel, that way Road Tax dodgers will be stuffed as they presumably do not have the gall to steal petrol, and people pay for their use of the roads more equitably.

 

Experience required before insurance will be given?

I'm in my 40's and have been driving for 20 years.  I have a full clean licence and have driven cars minibuses and even a 7.5 ton vehicle – all in a private non-paid capacity.  I'm unemployed and would like to use my extensive driving experience to drive larger vehicles Class 1 and 2 LGVs.  However, it seems that I won't be able to do this.  All of the recruitment/driving agencies are telling me that I won't be able to apply for the numerous driving jobs available because I don't have enough experience and as a result I won't be able to be insured.  This creates a catch-22 situation because I will never get the experience because I can't get insured to drive.  I would like the government to look into what appears to be a block to new entrants into the LGV jobs market.  This is preventing people like me applying for jobs that are out there and which I could do but am being prevented getting into what amounts to a closed shop.  I want to get back to work and I would like to do that through driving but I'm facing a brick wall which I can't get around.  Can you help?  Thanks 

Why is this idea important?

I'm in my 40's and have been driving for 20 years.  I have a full clean licence and have driven cars minibuses and even a 7.5 ton vehicle – all in a private non-paid capacity.  I'm unemployed and would like to use my extensive driving experience to drive larger vehicles Class 1 and 2 LGVs.  However, it seems that I won't be able to do this.  All of the recruitment/driving agencies are telling me that I won't be able to apply for the numerous driving jobs available because I don't have enough experience and as a result I won't be able to be insured.  This creates a catch-22 situation because I will never get the experience because I can't get insured to drive.  I would like the government to look into what appears to be a block to new entrants into the LGV jobs market.  This is preventing people like me applying for jobs that are out there and which I could do but am being prevented getting into what amounts to a closed shop.  I want to get back to work and I would like to do that through driving but I'm facing a brick wall which I can't get around.  Can you help?  Thanks 

Allow all unused registration plates to be sold by DVLA

I recently contacted DVLA to ask about purchasing the registration for my first car, which would have been long scrapped and was told that this was not possible.

It seems to me that a change in regulation would allow people like myself to purchase a cherished number, when otherwise I would not be interested in something like this.

Why is this idea important?

I recently contacted DVLA to ask about purchasing the registration for my first car, which would have been long scrapped and was told that this was not possible.

It seems to me that a change in regulation would allow people like myself to purchase a cherished number, when otherwise I would not be interested in something like this.

NO ACCESS TO DVLA by PRIVATE COMPANIES or INDIVIDUALS

Parking on 'private' land is followed by fines and clamps being levied on 'offenders' by private organisations. It is clear – at least in big cities – that this has nothing to do with people abusing private land and has everything to do with making money. If people want to stop others from entering private roads, land, etc they can install barriers or place guards – as it is in the countryside for example. By and large such schemes in London more or less lure people to use them, then clamp or when this is not possible as motorist leaves, go to DVLA for personal details and pursue for money. The state is being used for private extortion of money under clear false pretences. Licensing clampers is not the option. It only legitimises extortion.

Why is this idea important?

Parking on 'private' land is followed by fines and clamps being levied on 'offenders' by private organisations. It is clear – at least in big cities – that this has nothing to do with people abusing private land and has everything to do with making money. If people want to stop others from entering private roads, land, etc they can install barriers or place guards – as it is in the countryside for example. By and large such schemes in London more or less lure people to use them, then clamp or when this is not possible as motorist leaves, go to DVLA for personal details and pursue for money. The state is being used for private extortion of money under clear false pretences. Licensing clampers is not the option. It only legitimises extortion.

Car numberplates use of fonts and spacings

Can the legislation be changed on the font styles and spacing allowed as legal on numberplates.

The criterior should be that size and clarity is the rule and that differnt fonts of the same size and material should belegal. Clearly if the font is not legible or offensive they should be not legal.

The police are keen to use show plates as a reason to stop cars even though the car has been verified as legal on their car data check.

However officers get a little hot under the collar when they see a personlised plate as they did with me and the 70 year old with the Range Rover who they attacked wih their battons and jumped on his bonnet. I suppose if I or this 70 year old were criminals the police would not come near us.

Why is this idea important?

Can the legislation be changed on the font styles and spacing allowed as legal on numberplates.

The criterior should be that size and clarity is the rule and that differnt fonts of the same size and material should belegal. Clearly if the font is not legible or offensive they should be not legal.

The police are keen to use show plates as a reason to stop cars even though the car has been verified as legal on their car data check.

However officers get a little hot under the collar when they see a personlised plate as they did with me and the 70 year old with the Range Rover who they attacked wih their battons and jumped on his bonnet. I suppose if I or this 70 year old were criminals the police would not come near us.

Put vehicle insurance on number plates.

Car insurance is being abused.  Parents say they are the main driver when in reality it is their sons or daughters.  Other people have no car insurance.  We should do what Germany does and have car insurance on the number plates.

Why is this idea important?

Car insurance is being abused.  Parents say they are the main driver when in reality it is their sons or daughters.  Other people have no car insurance.  We should do what Germany does and have car insurance on the number plates.

Get rid of vehicle tax discs

Remove need to display a vehicle tax disc. In fact don’t even issue them and at the same time just increase fuel duty to cover the costs. Completely unfair on those that need larger cars to transport kids etc. but do very little mileage.

Why is this idea important?

Remove need to display a vehicle tax disc. In fact don’t even issue them and at the same time just increase fuel duty to cover the costs. Completely unfair on those that need larger cars to transport kids etc. but do very little mileage.

Driving licence at 70

What is the purpose of  reapplying for a driving licence at age 70?  It is just another useless form.  No doctor's or opticians reports are asked for which might make it meaningful.  It is just a list of questions to which the answers given cannot be verified.  It is conpletely pointless and should be discontinued as a waste of money and resouces.

Why is this idea important?

What is the purpose of  reapplying for a driving licence at age 70?  It is just another useless form.  No doctor's or opticians reports are asked for which might make it meaningful.  It is just a list of questions to which the answers given cannot be verified.  It is conpletely pointless and should be discontinued as a waste of money and resouces.

Vehicle licence tax disc

There are many vehicles on the road without a valid tax disc(estimated to be  as many as one million). Could the annual charge be replaced by a charge on petrol which would have to be paid by all(one cannot avoid purchasing petrol). This could be easier and less costly to collect. The tax disc could be replaced by a disc issued by the insurance companies(some counties already do this) which would help to ensure vehicles are insured. The more one uses the roads the more the charge which would also be fairer.

Why is this idea important?

There are many vehicles on the road without a valid tax disc(estimated to be  as many as one million). Could the annual charge be replaced by a charge on petrol which would have to be paid by all(one cannot avoid purchasing petrol). This could be easier and less costly to collect. The tax disc could be replaced by a disc issued by the insurance companies(some counties already do this) which would help to ensure vehicles are insured. The more one uses the roads the more the charge which would also be fairer.

Data Protection and DVLA

DVLA and The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002
 
Recently I fell foul of a car park management company. This company uses number plate recognition technology to scan your car registration on entry and exit from a car park.  With this information they simply contact the DVLA who are seemingly happy to hand over your name and address.
 
This company makes the excess parking charge on the basis that you have breached a contract with them.  You are deemed to have accepted the terms of the contract simply by parking your car (in the Aldi supermarket car park).  I won't bore you here with the appropriateness of their signage.  My point is that this dispute is based on a civil law contractual dispute and yet the DVLA is still quite happy to hand over my personal data.
 
I have included below an extract from the DVLA guidance in this area.  I don't believe staying 107 minutes instead of 90 minutes in the Aldi supermarket car park should be regarded as "reasonable cause" for the DVLA to hand over my personal data to a private business.  The DVLA is being used as a cheap resource by companies who simply have to set up cameras and then use the DVLA database.
 
A brief spell using Google shows that this is a concern of many hundreds, if not thousands, of others. I hope you will lend your support stopping this abuse of the DVLA data, sorry I mean MY data held by the DVLA.
 

Currently, Regulation 27 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 allows the Agency to release information from its vehicle register to the police, to local authorities for the investigation of an offence or decriminalised parking contravention, and to anybody who demonstrates ‘reasonable cause’ to have the information made available to them. Regulations also allow for a fee to be charged to cover the cost of processing requests.

‘Reasonable cause’ is not defined in legislation but release is normally associated with road safety, events occurring as a direct consequence of the use of the vehicle, the enforcement of road traffic legislation and the collection of taxes. The Agency has to evaluate very carefully the reasons for the request as well as the way in which the information will be used before releasing the information.

Why is this idea important?

DVLA and The Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002
 
Recently I fell foul of a car park management company. This company uses number plate recognition technology to scan your car registration on entry and exit from a car park.  With this information they simply contact the DVLA who are seemingly happy to hand over your name and address.
 
This company makes the excess parking charge on the basis that you have breached a contract with them.  You are deemed to have accepted the terms of the contract simply by parking your car (in the Aldi supermarket car park).  I won't bore you here with the appropriateness of their signage.  My point is that this dispute is based on a civil law contractual dispute and yet the DVLA is still quite happy to hand over my personal data.
 
I have included below an extract from the DVLA guidance in this area.  I don't believe staying 107 minutes instead of 90 minutes in the Aldi supermarket car park should be regarded as "reasonable cause" for the DVLA to hand over my personal data to a private business.  The DVLA is being used as a cheap resource by companies who simply have to set up cameras and then use the DVLA database.
 
A brief spell using Google shows that this is a concern of many hundreds, if not thousands, of others. I hope you will lend your support stopping this abuse of the DVLA data, sorry I mean MY data held by the DVLA.
 

Currently, Regulation 27 of the Road Vehicles (Registration and Licensing) Regulations 2002 allows the Agency to release information from its vehicle register to the police, to local authorities for the investigation of an offence or decriminalised parking contravention, and to anybody who demonstrates ‘reasonable cause’ to have the information made available to them. Regulations also allow for a fee to be charged to cover the cost of processing requests.

‘Reasonable cause’ is not defined in legislation but release is normally associated with road safety, events occurring as a direct consequence of the use of the vehicle, the enforcement of road traffic legislation and the collection of taxes. The Agency has to evaluate very carefully the reasons for the request as well as the way in which the information will be used before releasing the information.

Abolish SORN

Get rid of this nonesensical, redundant form. If I choose not to tax my vehicle, by definition I am declaring that it is not on the road. There is absolutely no point in making this declaration twice, filling in another form and hiring pointless officials, IT support and other backroom staff to process it. It's pointless, and typical of the last administrations approach to government.

Why is this idea important?

Get rid of this nonesensical, redundant form. If I choose not to tax my vehicle, by definition I am declaring that it is not on the road. There is absolutely no point in making this declaration twice, filling in another form and hiring pointless officials, IT support and other backroom staff to process it. It's pointless, and typical of the last administrations approach to government.

fitting Tachos for 3.5t vehicles pulling a trailer

repeal this law its a farce , a tacho does primarily two things records time & speed

the law makes a requirement to fit & use a tacho on 3.5 lgvs when drawing a trailer unless exempt through farming fishing horticuture etc

so every jobbing builder with a trailer needs one !!!!

 

but why un hitch the trailer & no need for a tacho !!!  why record it if you dont know when its hitched up & reallly what is the purpose of knowing this ?

accident investigation >? well maybe but I doubt it

average distance & timea the wheel no domestic driving hours as its not Hgv

 

SO Whats the point  these things cost a business well over a thousand pounds per vechicle & serve no apparent use

 

yet another ill conceived  half baked idea

Why is this idea important?

repeal this law its a farce , a tacho does primarily two things records time & speed

the law makes a requirement to fit & use a tacho on 3.5 lgvs when drawing a trailer unless exempt through farming fishing horticuture etc

so every jobbing builder with a trailer needs one !!!!

 

but why un hitch the trailer & no need for a tacho !!!  why record it if you dont know when its hitched up & reallly what is the purpose of knowing this ?

accident investigation >? well maybe but I doubt it

average distance & timea the wheel no domestic driving hours as its not Hgv

 

SO Whats the point  these things cost a business well over a thousand pounds per vechicle & serve no apparent use

 

yet another ill conceived  half baked idea

CBT for Cars

A 'Compulsory Basic Training' course should be introduced for learner drivers of all types of vehicle, not just categories A and P. As per the present CBT for said categories, it should consist of an off road element to ensure that the learner driver is familiar with the essentials of how to handle a car before being let loose on Britain's roads. At present, it is theoretically possible to get a provisional license, get insured and into a car, all be it with a full license holder over 18yearsofage, without knowing how responsive the controls are or even necessarily what they do (as daft as this sounds, such people are out there!). I do not suggest, however, that this should replace the requirement for a license holder over 18yearsofage to be present with the learner driver.

Potentially this could also be a use for the dozens of closed RAF airfields languishing around the country too. The perimeter roads, former accommodation areas, taxiways and runways are absolutely ideal for the task!

Why is this idea important?

A 'Compulsory Basic Training' course should be introduced for learner drivers of all types of vehicle, not just categories A and P. As per the present CBT for said categories, it should consist of an off road element to ensure that the learner driver is familiar with the essentials of how to handle a car before being let loose on Britain's roads. At present, it is theoretically possible to get a provisional license, get insured and into a car, all be it with a full license holder over 18yearsofage, without knowing how responsive the controls are or even necessarily what they do (as daft as this sounds, such people are out there!). I do not suggest, however, that this should replace the requirement for a license holder over 18yearsofage to be present with the learner driver.

Potentially this could also be a use for the dozens of closed RAF airfields languishing around the country too. The perimeter roads, former accommodation areas, taxiways and runways are absolutely ideal for the task!

Remove need for inspection of donor vehicle when registration transferred.

Remove the requirement for the donor vehicle to be inspected at a DVLA office when transferring a registration, provided that a current MOT is still in force and the vehicle is currently licensed.

At present, the DVLA requres a vehicle to be inspected if it is more than a certain number of years old.  This is quite pointless if there is a valid MOT certificate and licence in force, as the vehicle would have been inspected by an MOT testing station within the previous 12 months.

Why is this idea important?

Remove the requirement for the donor vehicle to be inspected at a DVLA office when transferring a registration, provided that a current MOT is still in force and the vehicle is currently licensed.

At present, the DVLA requres a vehicle to be inspected if it is more than a certain number of years old.  This is quite pointless if there is a valid MOT certificate and licence in force, as the vehicle would have been inspected by an MOT testing station within the previous 12 months.

Allow nurseries and after schools in private sector to use16 seat mini buses

Private sector nurseries and afterschool/holiday clubs have been forced by DVLA to remove 8 seats from their 16 seat minibuses due to complaints from bus companies who want the trade.

DVLA claim that nurseries and afterschools use the buses for'hire and reward' and so need to change their licences to drive the bus. In most cases these are used as part of the service to the children and are not charged. The outcome is that children in our rural areas are unable to go out of the limited environment surrounding them.

The afterschool children who are picked up from school are not charged any more for this service than those who come without being picked up by the bus.

The only people to suffer in this are the children.

If we made ourselves a 'charitable' organisation or 'voluntary ' organisation we would be able to use our buses with the 16 seats in it and with the same drivers driving with their current licence!! Insanity!

Local Authority nurseries can use the buses with 16 seats and no special licence or conditions.

Hopefully this government will stand for common sense and fairness. I am not hlding my breath but would be happy to be proved wrong!!!!

Why is this idea important?

Private sector nurseries and afterschool/holiday clubs have been forced by DVLA to remove 8 seats from their 16 seat minibuses due to complaints from bus companies who want the trade.

DVLA claim that nurseries and afterschools use the buses for'hire and reward' and so need to change their licences to drive the bus. In most cases these are used as part of the service to the children and are not charged. The outcome is that children in our rural areas are unable to go out of the limited environment surrounding them.

The afterschool children who are picked up from school are not charged any more for this service than those who come without being picked up by the bus.

The only people to suffer in this are the children.

If we made ourselves a 'charitable' organisation or 'voluntary ' organisation we would be able to use our buses with the 16 seats in it and with the same drivers driving with their current licence!! Insanity!

Local Authority nurseries can use the buses with 16 seats and no special licence or conditions.

Hopefully this government will stand for common sense and fairness. I am not hlding my breath but would be happy to be proved wrong!!!!

Replace road tax with a FAIR increase in fuel duty.

Many peple have already suggested this but wanted to add my voice. Advantages are so obvious so no need to repeat but it MUST be done FAIRLY. This is not a mechanism just to increase revenue. Average miles are regarded as 12,000 miles a year so the fuel duty must  be set so an average person in an average 1.3 car doing 12,000 miles a year pays the same as now. You do more miles in a big car you pay more, less miles in a smaller car you pay less. No tax avoidance and get rid of a whole dept of SORN with their absurd paperwork and enforcement and encourage people to do less miles, car share and so on. Win win win win.

Why is this idea important?

Many peple have already suggested this but wanted to add my voice. Advantages are so obvious so no need to repeat but it MUST be done FAIRLY. This is not a mechanism just to increase revenue. Average miles are regarded as 12,000 miles a year so the fuel duty must  be set so an average person in an average 1.3 car doing 12,000 miles a year pays the same as now. You do more miles in a big car you pay more, less miles in a smaller car you pay less. No tax avoidance and get rid of a whole dept of SORN with their absurd paperwork and enforcement and encourage people to do less miles, car share and so on. Win win win win.

Out of date paper tax disc on a taxed vehicle

Currently you can renew your tax disc on line. If it fails to arrive on time or gets stolen or lost in the post you can get a replacement. However if the current disc has expired you cannot use the vehicle on the road, not because its not taxed, but because you are not displaying a current disc , until the new disc arrives.

It should be an offence to have a vehicle on the road if its not taxed not if the tax disc displayed is out of date.

The tax status can be checked by the authorities, on line, in seconds using the registarion number rather than relying on a bit of paper in the windscreen.

The current law means if your disc is stolen you can be fined but the person who has stolen it and is using it on an untaxed  vehicle isn't.

Why is this idea important?

Currently you can renew your tax disc on line. If it fails to arrive on time or gets stolen or lost in the post you can get a replacement. However if the current disc has expired you cannot use the vehicle on the road, not because its not taxed, but because you are not displaying a current disc , until the new disc arrives.

It should be an offence to have a vehicle on the road if its not taxed not if the tax disc displayed is out of date.

The tax status can be checked by the authorities, on line, in seconds using the registarion number rather than relying on a bit of paper in the windscreen.

The current law means if your disc is stolen you can be fined but the person who has stolen it and is using it on an untaxed  vehicle isn't.

REmove useless paper work when buying a new numbr plate

As an ordinary member of the public if ou wish to buy a new car number plate you have to provide documentation as to the vechicle and your identity.    The motor trade can get them with no documentation and criminals can make their own.     So why bother the innocent person and add to the costs of small business.

Why is this idea important?

As an ordinary member of the public if ou wish to buy a new car number plate you have to provide documentation as to the vechicle and your identity.    The motor trade can get them with no documentation and criminals can make their own.     So why bother the innocent person and add to the costs of small business.

Abolish Road Fund Licence

Incorporate RFL onto the cost of fuel; this would generate about £300 million per annum; abolish the DVLA; a legal requirement to display proof that the vehicle is insured: no disc will mean that the vehicle is impunded and if not claimed within 2 weeks it will be crushed. This works in the Republic of Ireland and it could work here!

Why is this idea important?

Incorporate RFL onto the cost of fuel; this would generate about £300 million per annum; abolish the DVLA; a legal requirement to display proof that the vehicle is insured: no disc will mean that the vehicle is impunded and if not claimed within 2 weeks it will be crushed. This works in the Republic of Ireland and it could work here!

Modify Road Tax and Motor Insurance

Road Tax

  • Replace the Road Tax and minimum requirement for Third Party car insurance with a levy included in fuel charges – so any user has already paid road tax.  No need for a tax disc – all cars pay as they go in fuel costs. 
  • Charge and provide visitor tax disc to non-uk cars at point of entry – time based or mileage based charge.
  • Hypothecate at least as proportion of revenues to better road maintenance and more  efficient + cleaner engines.

Car Insurance

  • Set up an insurance policy administered by co-owned speciailst insurance business public /private (ie. existing insureunderwriters) for Third Party liabilities.
  • Private sector element tenders regularly for contract on fixed term to provide at optimal cost and administer for us.
  • Payout of 'medical' costs that NHS has to fix swift and directed to it by the Insurer.
  • Other third party costs dealt with fairly and within insurance contract laws.
  • Profits – shared by private sector firms in conglomerate and public purse.

Why is this idea important?

Road Tax

  • Replace the Road Tax and minimum requirement for Third Party car insurance with a levy included in fuel charges – so any user has already paid road tax.  No need for a tax disc – all cars pay as they go in fuel costs. 
  • Charge and provide visitor tax disc to non-uk cars at point of entry – time based or mileage based charge.
  • Hypothecate at least as proportion of revenues to better road maintenance and more  efficient + cleaner engines.

Car Insurance

  • Set up an insurance policy administered by co-owned speciailst insurance business public /private (ie. existing insureunderwriters) for Third Party liabilities.
  • Private sector element tenders regularly for contract on fixed term to provide at optimal cost and administer for us.
  • Payout of 'medical' costs that NHS has to fix swift and directed to it by the Insurer.
  • Other third party costs dealt with fairly and within insurance contract laws.
  • Profits – shared by private sector firms in conglomerate and public purse.

DVLA and Data Protection

Currently DVLA sell full names and addresses of vehicle holders to anyone who pays a paltry sum. Data required to be submitted by private individuals to a government body should have protection under the Data Protection Act. If the information is held on an electronic database and given for a specific purpose there can be no justification for the government selling it on to anyone other than the police.  Is it done to raise funds?

Why is this idea important?

Currently DVLA sell full names and addresses of vehicle holders to anyone who pays a paltry sum. Data required to be submitted by private individuals to a government body should have protection under the Data Protection Act. If the information is held on an electronic database and given for a specific purpose there can be no justification for the government selling it on to anyone other than the police.  Is it done to raise funds?