repeal SORN continuous registration

Number-recognition cameras on busy roads with computerised databases easily detect untaxed, uninsured, stolen, non-MOT vehicles or unpaid fines while camera patrol vans check quieter roads and parked vehicles. So there is very little justification for obsolete SORN rules or how DVLA implements them which can be easily repealed with no loss to public safety or car tax. Their strange rules anger and upset many drivers with numerous postings on forums and websites.

           SORN was designed (House of Lords 14 Nov 2003) “to trace vehicles involved in crime and to trace the keepers of abandoned vehicles, and to help to attack the problem of evasion of vehicle excise duty… The draft regulations will have no effect on law-abiding citizens who license their vehicles on time and are also not intended to catch those who may, through oversight or difficulty, buy their tax discs a day or two late…” DVLA amplified early 2004 “the Agency does not intend to persecute honest motorists but to crack down on offenders who repeatedly abuse system.”

            Yet DVLA persecute absent-minded motorists with no discretion and further invented a complicated system whereby unless they send a confirmatory letter of receipt, even posting a SORN is insufficient and motorists usually can’t successfully challenge this ludicrous unjustified  penalties in court without a solicitor. DVLA also didn’t implement an arbitration procedure and FAQ sheet requested by House of Lords. So DVLA act as judge and jury. Rarely do they exercise their promised discretion even where the persecuted motorist is patently honest.

            The whole system is governed by “strict liability” (mens rea) so even genuine mistakes are unfairly penalised while richer motorists with clever lawyers get off by technicalities. Yet the onus could very easily switched from harassed vehicle owners if DVLA would have to prove an intent to defraud as implied when law first introduced (House of Lords 14 Nov 2003).

Why is this idea important?

Number-recognition cameras on busy roads with computerised databases easily detect untaxed, uninsured, stolen, non-MOT vehicles or unpaid fines while camera patrol vans check quieter roads and parked vehicles. So there is very little justification for obsolete SORN rules or how DVLA implements them which can be easily repealed with no loss to public safety or car tax. Their strange rules anger and upset many drivers with numerous postings on forums and websites.

           SORN was designed (House of Lords 14 Nov 2003) “to trace vehicles involved in crime and to trace the keepers of abandoned vehicles, and to help to attack the problem of evasion of vehicle excise duty… The draft regulations will have no effect on law-abiding citizens who license their vehicles on time and are also not intended to catch those who may, through oversight or difficulty, buy their tax discs a day or two late…” DVLA amplified early 2004 “the Agency does not intend to persecute honest motorists but to crack down on offenders who repeatedly abuse system.”

            Yet DVLA persecute absent-minded motorists with no discretion and further invented a complicated system whereby unless they send a confirmatory letter of receipt, even posting a SORN is insufficient and motorists usually can’t successfully challenge this ludicrous unjustified  penalties in court without a solicitor. DVLA also didn’t implement an arbitration procedure and FAQ sheet requested by House of Lords. So DVLA act as judge and jury. Rarely do they exercise their promised discretion even where the persecuted motorist is patently honest.

            The whole system is governed by “strict liability” (mens rea) so even genuine mistakes are unfairly penalised while richer motorists with clever lawyers get off by technicalities. Yet the onus could very easily switched from harassed vehicle owners if DVLA would have to prove an intent to defraud as implied when law first introduced (House of Lords 14 Nov 2003).

Abolish SORN

Get rid of this nonesensical, redundant form. If I choose not to tax my vehicle, by definition I am declaring that it is not on the road. There is absolutely no point in making this declaration twice, filling in another form and hiring pointless officials, IT support and other backroom staff to process it. It's pointless, and typical of the last administrations approach to government.

Why is this idea important?

Get rid of this nonesensical, redundant form. If I choose not to tax my vehicle, by definition I am declaring that it is not on the road. There is absolutely no point in making this declaration twice, filling in another form and hiring pointless officials, IT support and other backroom staff to process it. It's pointless, and typical of the last administrations approach to government.

Make SORN a one-time action, i.e do not require renewal

It's not so long since a car was assumed to be off the road if the road tax was not renewed, & enforement against violators was based on police seeing cars with no road tax disc.Now you have to make a SORN declaration and renew it every year. This means you have to register a privately owned, unused vehicle every year, albeit free of charge. If you forget, you are classed alongside road tax evaders. Why not go back to assuming a car is off the road if road tax is not renewed, and only taking enforcement action if evidence is obtained that the car is used on public roads, OR, as a compromise, make the SORN permanent until the car is retaxed.

Why is this idea important?

It's not so long since a car was assumed to be off the road if the road tax was not renewed, & enforement against violators was based on police seeing cars with no road tax disc.Now you have to make a SORN declaration and renew it every year. This means you have to register a privately owned, unused vehicle every year, albeit free of charge. If you forget, you are classed alongside road tax evaders. Why not go back to assuming a car is off the road if road tax is not renewed, and only taking enforcement action if evidence is obtained that the car is used on public roads, OR, as a compromise, make the SORN permanent until the car is retaxed.

Abolish SORN

Abolish the "Statutory Off Road Notification". 

The law states I have to tell the DVLA that I am not using my car. When it is obvious that I am not using my car because I haven't brought any tax disk for it.

This is paperwork for its own sake, the government doesn't have a natural right to demand me to do something when I am not doing something wrong.  

Why is this idea important?

Abolish the "Statutory Off Road Notification". 

The law states I have to tell the DVLA that I am not using my car. When it is obvious that I am not using my car because I haven't brought any tax disk for it.

This is paperwork for its own sake, the government doesn't have a natural right to demand me to do something when I am not doing something wrong.  

SORN

Make it only possible to SORN a vehicle once, if after 12 months it is not TAXED or MOTed then it should be scraped, as it is unfit for the road, except if you can prove you are restoring a vintage vehicle.

Why is this idea important?

Make it only possible to SORN a vehicle once, if after 12 months it is not TAXED or MOTed then it should be scraped, as it is unfit for the road, except if you can prove you are restoring a vintage vehicle.

Abolition of SORN and preferably also the TAX disc

Abolishing Tax Disc ( and SORN)


Replace the VED disc with MOT disc, the drop in revenue is replaced by increases in fuel duty,  the MOTs are registered at DVLA instead so the function of vehicle registration is still maintained, there would probably need be a small fee for the MOT disc but just to cover processing costs. This idea is based on the premise that a MOT rather than VED is a better and fairer indication of a car’s fitness to be on the road. In conjunction with this, the insidious SORN requirement (which in principle assumes all vehicle owners are guilty unless they declare themselves innocent, the crime being the that of depriving HMG of some money see 5. ) is also abolished.


The advantages are many:

  1. Stops people being criminals just for having an untaxed car parked in their drive.
  2. Any car without a MOT disc could be immediately removed from the road as being potentially unsafe, with a few special exceptions e.g. unless awaiting MOT etc.
  3. People caught driving an un-MOT’d car could be driving an unsafe vehicle, legally more ethical than being prosecuted for doing HMC&E out of a few quid.
  4. Having an MOT disc in car means people would be unlikely to forget when the MOT is due. (it does genuinely happen)
  5. Declaring SORN would no longer be required, thus removing the crime of ‘not declaring SORN’ and reducing the load on the police force. This law as it stands effectively amounts to car owners having to declare themselves to be innocent or DVLA will declare them guilty by default. I think if someone decided to challenge SORN, especially in the European human rights court, HMG might be batting on a sticky wicket.
  6. Increases incentive for people to have a second small car (possibly electric) for short distances, especially if third party car insurance is on the driver not the car, a + for environment and also the car trade.
  7. Cuts down a certain amount of bureaucracy thus saving taxpayers money.
  8. Foreign vehicles don’t get away with not having to pay VED

BAR-CODES – Anti-fraud. Every MOT disc would have a unique bar-coded serial number including the car reg which could be easily scanned and checked with hand held scanners, these could carry a database which would instantly check the validity of code against vehicle, newly registered vehicles not yet on data base would have details saved & checked next time scanner is updated (See section ‘Why is your idea important?’  – Appendix 2 also )

Why is this idea important?

Abolishing Tax Disc ( and SORN)


Replace the VED disc with MOT disc, the drop in revenue is replaced by increases in fuel duty,  the MOTs are registered at DVLA instead so the function of vehicle registration is still maintained, there would probably need be a small fee for the MOT disc but just to cover processing costs. This idea is based on the premise that a MOT rather than VED is a better and fairer indication of a car’s fitness to be on the road. In conjunction with this, the insidious SORN requirement (which in principle assumes all vehicle owners are guilty unless they declare themselves innocent, the crime being the that of depriving HMG of some money see 5. ) is also abolished.


The advantages are many:

  1. Stops people being criminals just for having an untaxed car parked in their drive.
  2. Any car without a MOT disc could be immediately removed from the road as being potentially unsafe, with a few special exceptions e.g. unless awaiting MOT etc.
  3. People caught driving an un-MOT’d car could be driving an unsafe vehicle, legally more ethical than being prosecuted for doing HMC&E out of a few quid.
  4. Having an MOT disc in car means people would be unlikely to forget when the MOT is due. (it does genuinely happen)
  5. Declaring SORN would no longer be required, thus removing the crime of ‘not declaring SORN’ and reducing the load on the police force. This law as it stands effectively amounts to car owners having to declare themselves to be innocent or DVLA will declare them guilty by default. I think if someone decided to challenge SORN, especially in the European human rights court, HMG might be batting on a sticky wicket.
  6. Increases incentive for people to have a second small car (possibly electric) for short distances, especially if third party car insurance is on the driver not the car, a + for environment and also the car trade.
  7. Cuts down a certain amount of bureaucracy thus saving taxpayers money.
  8. Foreign vehicles don’t get away with not having to pay VED

BAR-CODES – Anti-fraud. Every MOT disc would have a unique bar-coded serial number including the car reg which could be easily scanned and checked with hand held scanners, these could carry a database which would instantly check the validity of code against vehicle, newly registered vehicles not yet on data base would have details saved & checked next time scanner is updated (See section ‘Why is your idea important?’  – Appendix 2 also )

Repeal Statutory Off-Road Notification (SORN)

I am pleased to see that there are others who share this view.  The SORN is a formal requirement to notify the authorities that one is not breaking a law.  As such it is an oppressive and bureaucratic step too far, especially for those for whom its provisions are perhaps most applicable – the elderly, the infirm and those who have become incapacitated.

Notwithstanding the menace of uninsured and untaxed cars on the road, an unhappy consequence of the SORN regulation is that the passage of the expiry date on a tax disc of a motor vehicle sitting inert and unused in a garage or on a driveway, belonging to a law abiding citizen, renders that citizen guilty of an offence if they fail to notify the DVLA of their non-use of their motor vehicle. 

Repeal the SORN, free up the police to address the real offenders and preserve the good character of law abiding citizens.  It's a win-win no-brainer.

Why is this idea important?

I am pleased to see that there are others who share this view.  The SORN is a formal requirement to notify the authorities that one is not breaking a law.  As such it is an oppressive and bureaucratic step too far, especially for those for whom its provisions are perhaps most applicable – the elderly, the infirm and those who have become incapacitated.

Notwithstanding the menace of uninsured and untaxed cars on the road, an unhappy consequence of the SORN regulation is that the passage of the expiry date on a tax disc of a motor vehicle sitting inert and unused in a garage or on a driveway, belonging to a law abiding citizen, renders that citizen guilty of an offence if they fail to notify the DVLA of their non-use of their motor vehicle. 

Repeal the SORN, free up the police to address the real offenders and preserve the good character of law abiding citizens.  It's a win-win no-brainer.

unecessary sorn

why  the need to sorn a vehicle every year sorn it once untill you tax it and save millions of pounds in wasted paper and time and remove the requirement to re -sorn with change of ownership 

Why is this idea important?

why  the need to sorn a vehicle every year sorn it once untill you tax it and save millions of pounds in wasted paper and time and remove the requirement to re -sorn with change of ownership 

Abolish the SORN system

Remove the requirement to declare a vehicle off the road every 12 months (SORN declaration).  Any vehicle which is not currently taxed should be assumed to be SORN removing an administrative burden from both the motorist and the DVLA.  It would remain an offence to use a vehicle that was untaxed.

Why is this idea important?

Remove the requirement to declare a vehicle off the road every 12 months (SORN declaration).  Any vehicle which is not currently taxed should be assumed to be SORN removing an administrative burden from both the motorist and the DVLA.  It would remain an offence to use a vehicle that was untaxed.

Scrap the Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN) legislation

 

Scrap the Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN) legislation. This legislation is designed to raise revenue by penalising innocent people. The DVLA knows if a vehicle doesn't have a valid tax disc from its database but doesn't know if the vehicle is off road or not and so requires that the motorist declares which is the case. Obviously no sane person is going to declare that they are breaking the law so why ask? The reason is to raise revenue by hoping that mistakes are made e.g. people forget to complete the declaration or that the form gets lost in the post (or by the DVLA themselves).

Why is this idea important?

 

Scrap the Statutory Off Road Notification (SORN) legislation. This legislation is designed to raise revenue by penalising innocent people. The DVLA knows if a vehicle doesn't have a valid tax disc from its database but doesn't know if the vehicle is off road or not and so requires that the motorist declares which is the case. Obviously no sane person is going to declare that they are breaking the law so why ask? The reason is to raise revenue by hoping that mistakes are made e.g. people forget to complete the declaration or that the form gets lost in the post (or by the DVLA themselves).

Curtail the power of the DVLA

Currently the DVLA has Carte Blanche to impose disproportionate fines on law abiding citizens for the most trivial documentation offences, such as failing to submit SORN or change of vehicle ownership forms in time.  Often these offences are committed purely because the "purpetrator" has failed to keep abreast of ever changing laws, many of which are overly draconian and unnecessary.  There have been countless cases of injustice involving people being fined as a result of forms "being lost in the post" or even as a result of human and computer errors.

The DVLA has the authority to give citizens' personal information, given to it out of legal neccessity, to pretty much anyone who is willing to pay for it, such as private parking enforcement companies, without notifying them.

When an injustice is suffered at the hands of this unaccountable body, there is nowhere to turn.

The power of the DVLA needs to be severely curtailed and "trial by database" must end.

Why is this idea important?

Currently the DVLA has Carte Blanche to impose disproportionate fines on law abiding citizens for the most trivial documentation offences, such as failing to submit SORN or change of vehicle ownership forms in time.  Often these offences are committed purely because the "purpetrator" has failed to keep abreast of ever changing laws, many of which are overly draconian and unnecessary.  There have been countless cases of injustice involving people being fined as a result of forms "being lost in the post" or even as a result of human and computer errors.

The DVLA has the authority to give citizens' personal information, given to it out of legal neccessity, to pretty much anyone who is willing to pay for it, such as private parking enforcement companies, without notifying them.

When an injustice is suffered at the hands of this unaccountable body, there is nowhere to turn.

The power of the DVLA needs to be severely curtailed and "trial by database" must end.