Switch the speed-limits on roads to metric ASAP. Delaying is starting to cost money…

It's well overdue that an "officially metric" country such as ours should demonstrate that offical line by changing the existing out-of-date road signs to metric. Most British drivers have been 100% educated in metric, and everyone's used to sports events using metric measurements for everything.

It is possibly not obvious that delaying any further on the speed-limits issue is actually a direct problem. However, is *is* a problem and here's why:

Councils all across the country are installing more and more radar-operated speed-warning signs as a technique for encouraging motorists to slow down where appropriate. ( I have no problem with that, it's a far better method than making criminals of perfectly good people who just happen to be looking out of the windscreen at the road rather than fixating on what their speedo says! )

However – these radar-triggered signs are in many cases physically built with arrays of LEDs that form the shape of a red roundel with "30" or "20" written inside just like the fixed speed-linit signs. And therein lies the problem.

When the inevitable switch to metric road signs does happen, those signs are going to need to be rebuilt. It's likely not to be the sort of thing that can be done by a council road gang at the side of the road. The signs will probably need to be de-mounted, taken back to the depot, changed, and then re-fitted. The "changed" bit might even require the sign to be sent back to the manufacturer.

This is going to cost MONEY. The longer we leave the switchover to km/h the worse it will get.

So the claim of this thread is – please repeal the out-of-date requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions that are forcing the use of miles and miles-per-hour on our signs, and join the rest of the world using km and km/h.

The UK does have a land border with another country (Eire) that already uses km/h on its signs. You get to drive faster on de-limited Irish roads too because 120km/h is faster than 70mph.

Why is this idea important?

It's well overdue that an "officially metric" country such as ours should demonstrate that offical line by changing the existing out-of-date road signs to metric. Most British drivers have been 100% educated in metric, and everyone's used to sports events using metric measurements for everything.

It is possibly not obvious that delaying any further on the speed-limits issue is actually a direct problem. However, is *is* a problem and here's why:

Councils all across the country are installing more and more radar-operated speed-warning signs as a technique for encouraging motorists to slow down where appropriate. ( I have no problem with that, it's a far better method than making criminals of perfectly good people who just happen to be looking out of the windscreen at the road rather than fixating on what their speedo says! )

However – these radar-triggered signs are in many cases physically built with arrays of LEDs that form the shape of a red roundel with "30" or "20" written inside just like the fixed speed-linit signs. And therein lies the problem.

When the inevitable switch to metric road signs does happen, those signs are going to need to be rebuilt. It's likely not to be the sort of thing that can be done by a council road gang at the side of the road. The signs will probably need to be de-mounted, taken back to the depot, changed, and then re-fitted. The "changed" bit might even require the sign to be sent back to the manufacturer.

This is going to cost MONEY. The longer we leave the switchover to km/h the worse it will get.

So the claim of this thread is – please repeal the out-of-date requirements of the Traffic Signs Regulations and General Directions that are forcing the use of miles and miles-per-hour on our signs, and join the rest of the world using km and km/h.

The UK does have a land border with another country (Eire) that already uses km/h on its signs. You get to drive faster on de-limited Irish roads too because 120km/h is faster than 70mph.

Driving licence points

As we all know you only need 12 points on your driving licence to lose it. To be given points for non excessive speeding is draconian. My idea is to remove points for speeding (but not other offences) but to increase the fines.

 

1 – People don't slow down for speed cameras unless they see them. Often people still speed as demonstrated by the fact that they still get caught by speed cameras. The threat of points doesn’t work.

2 – The reason for speed cameras is not safety but cash generation as shown by the fact that they are now being switched off on areas following recent government cuts. If speed reduction was the real incentive then physical measures would have been created eg chicanes, bumps etc.

3 – Physical barriers are cheaper to install and maintain than cameras and could be used in quieter areas and for busier roads then fines but not points should be used. The fines should be steeper than present and could rise sharply. Financial penalties are more effective in most cases. If we had a £100 fine which doubled for each subsequent fine you'd soon see speeding reduced. If the fines can't be paid then you take the car; it should be treated with the same severity as MOT and insurance infringements.

4 – Points should be retained for severe speeding offences (say 50 mph in a 30 mph zone)  and other offences (drink driving, dangerous driving, driving without insurance/MOT etc) to reflect the risk.

5 – People resent speed cameras because of the points. Adjust the approach and people will be less antagonistic.

 

 

Why is this idea important?

As we all know you only need 12 points on your driving licence to lose it. To be given points for non excessive speeding is draconian. My idea is to remove points for speeding (but not other offences) but to increase the fines.

 

1 – People don't slow down for speed cameras unless they see them. Often people still speed as demonstrated by the fact that they still get caught by speed cameras. The threat of points doesn’t work.

2 – The reason for speed cameras is not safety but cash generation as shown by the fact that they are now being switched off on areas following recent government cuts. If speed reduction was the real incentive then physical measures would have been created eg chicanes, bumps etc.

3 – Physical barriers are cheaper to install and maintain than cameras and could be used in quieter areas and for busier roads then fines but not points should be used. The fines should be steeper than present and could rise sharply. Financial penalties are more effective in most cases. If we had a £100 fine which doubled for each subsequent fine you'd soon see speeding reduced. If the fines can't be paid then you take the car; it should be treated with the same severity as MOT and insurance infringements.

4 – Points should be retained for severe speeding offences (say 50 mph in a 30 mph zone)  and other offences (drink driving, dangerous driving, driving without insurance/MOT etc) to reflect the risk.

5 – People resent speed cameras because of the points. Adjust the approach and people will be less antagonistic.

 

 

Stop local authorities from spending money on dangerous and/or wasteful ‘traffic calming’

Local authorities should not be spending ratepayers' money on wasteful 'traffic calming' schemes.

In particular, chicanes which force motorists to 'play chicken' with vehicles coming towards them should be banned.

Chicanes which force cylclists into the path of other vehicles should also be banned, as should any schemes which are at risk of causing accidents in snow, fog or other bad weather.

Road humps should be banned. These cause damage to vehicles, people's backs and the environment, the latter because they increase vehicle maintenance requirements, road repairs, and they cause rapid slowing down and speeding up which is the worst way of driving economically.

 

Why is this idea important?

Local authorities should not be spending ratepayers' money on wasteful 'traffic calming' schemes.

In particular, chicanes which force motorists to 'play chicken' with vehicles coming towards them should be banned.

Chicanes which force cylclists into the path of other vehicles should also be banned, as should any schemes which are at risk of causing accidents in snow, fog or other bad weather.

Road humps should be banned. These cause damage to vehicles, people's backs and the environment, the latter because they increase vehicle maintenance requirements, road repairs, and they cause rapid slowing down and speeding up which is the worst way of driving economically.

 

Repeal the Law/s that make it where the defendant has to proove the Police wrong for a speeding offence.

Most if not all UK Police Forces now use a system the their Traffic Cars known as the Cleartone Puma SE6. So you can be driving down a Dualcarriageway, Motorway have these biggots behind you may as much as even half a mile or so away maybe more and to them following you your a dot in the distance let's say the decide to check your speed from that kind of length away all they'll do is allocate a point A marker could be a 50mph sign or any kind of structure land mark then set their device going then assign another thing simular to point a that'll be point B stop their so called Guided Missile Technology what the Military use for the obvious etc and presto like Magic they have your rough speed to within one mph the device uses time and distance travelled between point A-B thus they have a read out. Then these idiots will stop you from such a long distance following check show you their alleged video avidence best thing is that when you watch their playback footage theres 6-12 other vehicles in the frame no bullseye or circle around your vehicle showing which was the actual offending vehicle they were tracking at said time. They only know the reg of the offending vehicle once within readable human eye range..

Why is this idea important?

Most if not all UK Police Forces now use a system the their Traffic Cars known as the Cleartone Puma SE6. So you can be driving down a Dualcarriageway, Motorway have these biggots behind you may as much as even half a mile or so away maybe more and to them following you your a dot in the distance let's say the decide to check your speed from that kind of length away all they'll do is allocate a point A marker could be a 50mph sign or any kind of structure land mark then set their device going then assign another thing simular to point a that'll be point B stop their so called Guided Missile Technology what the Military use for the obvious etc and presto like Magic they have your rough speed to within one mph the device uses time and distance travelled between point A-B thus they have a read out. Then these idiots will stop you from such a long distance following check show you their alleged video avidence best thing is that when you watch their playback footage theres 6-12 other vehicles in the frame no bullseye or circle around your vehicle showing which was the actual offending vehicle they were tracking at said time. They only know the reg of the offending vehicle once within readable human eye range..

speeding matter of degree

I agree those who go right over the limit should be prosecuted, but I believe some speedometers in cars have a small margin of error and this should be allowed for if someone is only slightly over. Also how often are the machines used to measure speed by the police checked? is there margin for error there?

Why is this idea important?

I agree those who go right over the limit should be prosecuted, but I believe some speedometers in cars have a small margin of error and this should be allowed for if someone is only slightly over. Also how often are the machines used to measure speed by the police checked? is there margin for error there?

Removal of the 70 mph motorway limit

 

The 70 mph motorway limit is a relic of the past. Introduced in 1965 when cars lacked the modern safety features that almost every car on Britain's roads today have.  Today most drivers ignore the limit anyway, so why not scrap it completely? At the very least it should be raised.
The autobahn system in which an advisory speed limit of 80 mph is set is very effective and there is no noticeable difference in casualties between German autobahns and British motorways. The fact is for many days of the year it is perfectly safe for a vehicle to travel at speeds greater than 70 mph. And for those days where it isn't? Well I'm sure the British public have the ability to exercise some degree of common sense.

Why is this idea important?

 

The 70 mph motorway limit is a relic of the past. Introduced in 1965 when cars lacked the modern safety features that almost every car on Britain's roads today have.  Today most drivers ignore the limit anyway, so why not scrap it completely? At the very least it should be raised.
The autobahn system in which an advisory speed limit of 80 mph is set is very effective and there is no noticeable difference in casualties between German autobahns and British motorways. The fact is for many days of the year it is perfectly safe for a vehicle to travel at speeds greater than 70 mph. And for those days where it isn't? Well I'm sure the British public have the ability to exercise some degree of common sense.

Removal of the 70 mph motorway limit.

The 70 mph motorway limit is a relic of the past. Introduced in 1965 when cars lacked the modern safety features that almost every car on Britain's roads today have.  Today most drivers ignore the limit anyway, so why not scrap it completely? At the very least it should be raised.

The autobahn system in which an advisory speed limit of 80 mph is set is very effective and there is no noticeable difference in casualties between German autobahns and British motorways. The fact is for many days of the year it is perfectly safe for a vehicle to travel at speeds greater than 70 mph. And for those days where it isn't? Well I'm sure the British public have the ability to exercise some degree of common sense.

Why is this idea important?

The 70 mph motorway limit is a relic of the past. Introduced in 1965 when cars lacked the modern safety features that almost every car on Britain's roads today have.  Today most drivers ignore the limit anyway, so why not scrap it completely? At the very least it should be raised.

The autobahn system in which an advisory speed limit of 80 mph is set is very effective and there is no noticeable difference in casualties between German autobahns and British motorways. The fact is for many days of the year it is perfectly safe for a vehicle to travel at speeds greater than 70 mph. And for those days where it isn't? Well I'm sure the British public have the ability to exercise some degree of common sense.

Repeal / Review Speeding Law

Whilst no-one should condone irresponsible driving, and driving at a speed which is higher than the road conditions safely allow is clearly irresponsible, the current approach to setting speed limits, their enforcement and the resulting penalties imposed for breach is over-simplistic and over-punitive.

1) The problem with road speed limits is that they can only ever be set as a subjective guideline.  i.e. What might be a relatively safe speed on a particular road on a summer's evening in clear, dry conditions may be wholly unsuitable on a snowy winter's morning during rush hour.

2) Further, there are many examples of road speed limits being reduced arbitrarily where there have been no obvious changes to the surrounding road conditions. Why is this allowed?

3) Making breach of any speed limit a criminal offence, with the associated fines or court appearance, insurance premium impact and emotional worry involved, seems unreasonably disproportionate to what is essentially a victimless crime. (Note that speeding in itself is victimless but accidents resulting from excessive, unsafe speeds are not).

4) Current enforcement of speed limits is laughably apathetic. Given that we now have the roadside technology to validate the average speed of most journeys, we could theoretically enforce limits with zero tolerance. However, this would no doubt be rather unpopular and seen as infringement of civil liberties. Currently, whether you get caught speeding is mostly down to (bad) luck and it's a chance that most of the public seem willing to take at most times. This makes a nonsense of the "limits" that have been set.

5) The arguments that lower speeds, enforceable through lower limits, mean lower risk are facile. Everyone understands that if we all drove at two miles per hour (preferably with a man walking in front with a red flag), then there'd be fewer accidents, injuries and deaths. However, no-one seems to think that enforcing a two mile per hour limit is a great idea. Why? Because drivers accept a certain level of risk every time they take to the road – setting and enforcing an arbitrary speed limit, which is largely ignored, does little to reduce this risk level.

6) The fact is that the vast majority of the Great British public do not obey the set speed limit. Rather, they use common sense and experience to determine what is a safe speed given constantly changing road parameters. Given that the government's job is to reflect the will of the people, then why is the majority being ignored?

7) What other British law is there (and I'm sure someone can think of one?) which constantly varies depending on your geographical location and point in time? If a driver is concentrating on an oncoming tractor, and fails to notice the speed limit changing from 40mph to 30mph due to temporary roadworks, is it fair that they can subsequently be charged with breaking the law?

So, my suggestion is to change the law and convert speed limits to speed guidelines where travelling at a higher speed than the guideline is no longer a criminal offence. We should refocus current "enforcement" efforts on educating drivers to travel with a higher level of personal responsibility and treating excessive speed as an aggravating factor in any dangerous driving charge.

Why is this idea important?

Whilst no-one should condone irresponsible driving, and driving at a speed which is higher than the road conditions safely allow is clearly irresponsible, the current approach to setting speed limits, their enforcement and the resulting penalties imposed for breach is over-simplistic and over-punitive.

1) The problem with road speed limits is that they can only ever be set as a subjective guideline.  i.e. What might be a relatively safe speed on a particular road on a summer's evening in clear, dry conditions may be wholly unsuitable on a snowy winter's morning during rush hour.

2) Further, there are many examples of road speed limits being reduced arbitrarily where there have been no obvious changes to the surrounding road conditions. Why is this allowed?

3) Making breach of any speed limit a criminal offence, with the associated fines or court appearance, insurance premium impact and emotional worry involved, seems unreasonably disproportionate to what is essentially a victimless crime. (Note that speeding in itself is victimless but accidents resulting from excessive, unsafe speeds are not).

4) Current enforcement of speed limits is laughably apathetic. Given that we now have the roadside technology to validate the average speed of most journeys, we could theoretically enforce limits with zero tolerance. However, this would no doubt be rather unpopular and seen as infringement of civil liberties. Currently, whether you get caught speeding is mostly down to (bad) luck and it's a chance that most of the public seem willing to take at most times. This makes a nonsense of the "limits" that have been set.

5) The arguments that lower speeds, enforceable through lower limits, mean lower risk are facile. Everyone understands that if we all drove at two miles per hour (preferably with a man walking in front with a red flag), then there'd be fewer accidents, injuries and deaths. However, no-one seems to think that enforcing a two mile per hour limit is a great idea. Why? Because drivers accept a certain level of risk every time they take to the road – setting and enforcing an arbitrary speed limit, which is largely ignored, does little to reduce this risk level.

6) The fact is that the vast majority of the Great British public do not obey the set speed limit. Rather, they use common sense and experience to determine what is a safe speed given constantly changing road parameters. Given that the government's job is to reflect the will of the people, then why is the majority being ignored?

7) What other British law is there (and I'm sure someone can think of one?) which constantly varies depending on your geographical location and point in time? If a driver is concentrating on an oncoming tractor, and fails to notice the speed limit changing from 40mph to 30mph due to temporary roadworks, is it fair that they can subsequently be charged with breaking the law?

So, my suggestion is to change the law and convert speed limits to speed guidelines where travelling at a higher speed than the guideline is no longer a criminal offence. We should refocus current "enforcement" efforts on educating drivers to travel with a higher level of personal responsibility and treating excessive speed as an aggravating factor in any dangerous driving charge.

Road Traffic Act 1991 – partial repeal

Repeal the following elements only of the above act:

Section 23: Speeding offences etc: admissibility of certain evidence

Section 40: Power to install equipment for detection of traffic offences

Why is this idea important?

Repeal the following elements only of the above act:

Section 23: Speeding offences etc: admissibility of certain evidence

Section 40: Power to install equipment for detection of traffic offences

Increase National Speed Limit To 80MPH!

The government should increase the national speed limit on all motorways to 80 MPH to tie in with most other countries and take full advantage of the technologically advanced cars of the 21st century which are designed to handle faster speeds and be much safer!

– Failing that, upgrade a main motorway from London to Scotland into a 'Freeway' – where the national speed limit is scrapped and it works in the same way as the Autobahn in Germany!

Why is this idea important?

The government should increase the national speed limit on all motorways to 80 MPH to tie in with most other countries and take full advantage of the technologically advanced cars of the 21st century which are designed to handle faster speeds and be much safer!

– Failing that, upgrade a main motorway from London to Scotland into a 'Freeway' – where the national speed limit is scrapped and it works in the same way as the Autobahn in Germany!