road fund licence

given the fact that the police, traffic wardens, and any other enforcement agency has access to the tax, insurance, and MOT details of all cars in the UK, why is it necessary to display a tax disc in a windscreen, and more to the point,why is failure to display the disc an offence? Surely if no paperwork needed to be issued, there would be a considerable saving

regards

 

steve williams

Why is this idea important?

given the fact that the police, traffic wardens, and any other enforcement agency has access to the tax, insurance, and MOT details of all cars in the UK, why is it necessary to display a tax disc in a windscreen, and more to the point,why is failure to display the disc an offence? Surely if no paperwork needed to be issued, there would be a considerable saving

regards

 

steve williams

Out of date paper tax disc on a taxed vehicle

Currently you can renew your tax disc on line. If it fails to arrive on time or gets stolen or lost in the post you can get a replacement. However if the current disc has expired you cannot use the vehicle on the road, not because its not taxed, but because you are not displaying a current disc , until the new disc arrives.

It should be an offence to have a vehicle on the road if its not taxed not if the tax disc displayed is out of date.

The tax status can be checked by the authorities, on line, in seconds using the registarion number rather than relying on a bit of paper in the windscreen.

The current law means if your disc is stolen you can be fined but the person who has stolen it and is using it on an untaxed  vehicle isn't.

Why is this idea important?

Currently you can renew your tax disc on line. If it fails to arrive on time or gets stolen or lost in the post you can get a replacement. However if the current disc has expired you cannot use the vehicle on the road, not because its not taxed, but because you are not displaying a current disc , until the new disc arrives.

It should be an offence to have a vehicle on the road if its not taxed not if the tax disc displayed is out of date.

The tax status can be checked by the authorities, on line, in seconds using the registarion number rather than relying on a bit of paper in the windscreen.

The current law means if your disc is stolen you can be fined but the person who has stolen it and is using it on an untaxed  vehicle isn't.

Make life easier for motor vechcles AND save money

Get rid of:

  • Speed bumps – high cost, but most drivers pass over them without problem – and they can cause noise and pollution;
  • Raised junctions / speed cushions – make no practical difference to anyone, road user or pedestriains, but must cost a fortune ( see this link for what these things are: http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/cms/parking_rubbish_and_streets/general_street_information/road_and_traffic_safety/traffic_calming_measures.aspx )
  • The sea of traffic signs and street furniture;
  • Parking regulations, where parking wouldn't disturb anyone;
  • MOTs every year – two yearly works fine in other European countries;
  • Car tax discs, get the money from petrol tax, on a tax neutral basis- save on the administration;
  • Traffic lights at minor junctions – use white paint for a mini roundabout – cheaper and traffic flows more efficiently. How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?
  • Red traffic lights outside of the rush hour, on less busy roads – have them flash amber, signalling proceed with caution. Again works well elsewhere in the world, why not here? How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?

Why is this idea important?

Get rid of:

  • Speed bumps – high cost, but most drivers pass over them without problem – and they can cause noise and pollution;
  • Raised junctions / speed cushions – make no practical difference to anyone, road user or pedestriains, but must cost a fortune ( see this link for what these things are: http://www.redbridge.gov.uk/cms/parking_rubbish_and_streets/general_street_information/road_and_traffic_safety/traffic_calming_measures.aspx )
  • The sea of traffic signs and street furniture;
  • Parking regulations, where parking wouldn't disturb anyone;
  • MOTs every year – two yearly works fine in other European countries;
  • Car tax discs, get the money from petrol tax, on a tax neutral basis- save on the administration;
  • Traffic lights at minor junctions – use white paint for a mini roundabout – cheaper and traffic flows more efficiently. How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?
  • Red traffic lights outside of the rush hour, on less busy roads – have them flash amber, signalling proceed with caution. Again works well elsewhere in the world, why not here? How many times have we all sat at red, with no other traffic to be seen?

End the huge cost of managing Car Tax Disc by increasing tax on petrol.

End the huge cost of managing, issuing and policing Car Tax Discs by increasing tax on petrol.

This would mean the more you use your car / Vehicle the more you pay.

Why is this idea important?

End the huge cost of managing, issuing and policing Car Tax Discs by increasing tax on petrol.

This would mean the more you use your car / Vehicle the more you pay.

Abolition of SORN and preferably also the TAX disc

Abolishing Tax Disc ( and SORN)


Replace the VED disc with MOT disc, the drop in revenue is replaced by increases in fuel duty,  the MOTs are registered at DVLA instead so the function of vehicle registration is still maintained, there would probably need be a small fee for the MOT disc but just to cover processing costs. This idea is based on the premise that a MOT rather than VED is a better and fairer indication of a car’s fitness to be on the road. In conjunction with this, the insidious SORN requirement (which in principle assumes all vehicle owners are guilty unless they declare themselves innocent, the crime being the that of depriving HMG of some money see 5. ) is also abolished.


The advantages are many:

  1. Stops people being criminals just for having an untaxed car parked in their drive.
  2. Any car without a MOT disc could be immediately removed from the road as being potentially unsafe, with a few special exceptions e.g. unless awaiting MOT etc.
  3. People caught driving an un-MOT’d car could be driving an unsafe vehicle, legally more ethical than being prosecuted for doing HMC&E out of a few quid.
  4. Having an MOT disc in car means people would be unlikely to forget when the MOT is due. (it does genuinely happen)
  5. Declaring SORN would no longer be required, thus removing the crime of ‘not declaring SORN’ and reducing the load on the police force. This law as it stands effectively amounts to car owners having to declare themselves to be innocent or DVLA will declare them guilty by default. I think if someone decided to challenge SORN, especially in the European human rights court, HMG might be batting on a sticky wicket.
  6. Increases incentive for people to have a second small car (possibly electric) for short distances, especially if third party car insurance is on the driver not the car, a + for environment and also the car trade.
  7. Cuts down a certain amount of bureaucracy thus saving taxpayers money.
  8. Foreign vehicles don’t get away with not having to pay VED

BAR-CODES – Anti-fraud. Every MOT disc would have a unique bar-coded serial number including the car reg which could be easily scanned and checked with hand held scanners, these could carry a database which would instantly check the validity of code against vehicle, newly registered vehicles not yet on data base would have details saved & checked next time scanner is updated (See section ‘Why is your idea important?’  – Appendix 2 also )

Why is this idea important?

Abolishing Tax Disc ( and SORN)


Replace the VED disc with MOT disc, the drop in revenue is replaced by increases in fuel duty,  the MOTs are registered at DVLA instead so the function of vehicle registration is still maintained, there would probably need be a small fee for the MOT disc but just to cover processing costs. This idea is based on the premise that a MOT rather than VED is a better and fairer indication of a car’s fitness to be on the road. In conjunction with this, the insidious SORN requirement (which in principle assumes all vehicle owners are guilty unless they declare themselves innocent, the crime being the that of depriving HMG of some money see 5. ) is also abolished.


The advantages are many:

  1. Stops people being criminals just for having an untaxed car parked in their drive.
  2. Any car without a MOT disc could be immediately removed from the road as being potentially unsafe, with a few special exceptions e.g. unless awaiting MOT etc.
  3. People caught driving an un-MOT’d car could be driving an unsafe vehicle, legally more ethical than being prosecuted for doing HMC&E out of a few quid.
  4. Having an MOT disc in car means people would be unlikely to forget when the MOT is due. (it does genuinely happen)
  5. Declaring SORN would no longer be required, thus removing the crime of ‘not declaring SORN’ and reducing the load on the police force. This law as it stands effectively amounts to car owners having to declare themselves to be innocent or DVLA will declare them guilty by default. I think if someone decided to challenge SORN, especially in the European human rights court, HMG might be batting on a sticky wicket.
  6. Increases incentive for people to have a second small car (possibly electric) for short distances, especially if third party car insurance is on the driver not the car, a + for environment and also the car trade.
  7. Cuts down a certain amount of bureaucracy thus saving taxpayers money.
  8. Foreign vehicles don’t get away with not having to pay VED

BAR-CODES – Anti-fraud. Every MOT disc would have a unique bar-coded serial number including the car reg which could be easily scanned and checked with hand held scanners, these could carry a database which would instantly check the validity of code against vehicle, newly registered vehicles not yet on data base would have details saved & checked next time scanner is updated (See section ‘Why is your idea important?’  – Appendix 2 also )

Abolish the requirement for motorcycles to display a tax disc.

Abolish the requirement for motorcycles to display a tax disc. They get stolen too easily and the victim then needs to buy a replacement in order to stay legal.

Why is this idea important?

Abolish the requirement for motorcycles to display a tax disc. They get stolen too easily and the victim then needs to buy a replacement in order to stay legal.

Remove Fine For Not Displaying Tax Disc

Currently, if you fail to display a tax disc you face a fine even though if have paid your car tax. This happened to me when my tax disc holder fell on the floor.

This law might have been justified in the past because if the Police came across your car they had no way of knowing if it was taxed. However, there is now a national database so it takes seconds for the Police to check.

I suggest that drivers that have paid their tax but are not displaying a disk should be given the same fault notification that is given when cars have defects such as blown headlights. This would give the driver 2 weeks to get their tax disc displayed properly and they can take it to a garage to get proof this has been done.

Why is this idea important?

Currently, if you fail to display a tax disc you face a fine even though if have paid your car tax. This happened to me when my tax disc holder fell on the floor.

This law might have been justified in the past because if the Police came across your car they had no way of knowing if it was taxed. However, there is now a national database so it takes seconds for the Police to check.

I suggest that drivers that have paid their tax but are not displaying a disk should be given the same fault notification that is given when cars have defects such as blown headlights. This would give the driver 2 weeks to get their tax disc displayed properly and they can take it to a garage to get proof this has been done.